Had an interesting chat with some people from Just Plain Folks today. They are a :

“Community of over 42,000 Songwriters, Recording Artists, Music Publishers, Record Labels, Performing Arts Societies, Educational Institutions, Recording Studios and Engineers, Producers, Legal Professionals, Publicists and Journalists, Publications, Music Manufacturers and Retailers and about every other type of member of the Music Industry”

We discussed the benefits of having a big coverall group in Second Life for musicians, and some of the additional features that would be good for large groups :

[11:21] Kaklick Martin: There is a RL org called Just PLain Folks http://jpfolks.org
[11:23] Kaklick Martin: and the whole idea is to get people from all walks of the music industry to get together in an open even playing field and network, cross pollinate and get together
[11:23] Abbaca Aoi: you have it divided into logical sections but they are all part of one big group
[11:25] Kaklick Martin: and with all this activity w/ the forums and list I felt it might be good to just use that as an umbrella
[11:26] Kaklick Martin: and maybe model it on some of the activities they do
[11:26] Kaklick Martin: some of the bigger “chapters” have regular get togethers and showcases
[11:26] Kaklick Martin: and IRL the founder goes out and does road trips
[11:27] Kaklick Martin: where they do showcases (usually limited to 1 song ea)
[11:27] Kaklick Martin: but I’ve always got the feeling the main thing was the networking
[11:28] InfectionMusic Raymaker: depends if the networking produces useful results
[11:28] Kaklick Martin: well, yeah, that’s always the question
[11:34] Kaklick Martin: even if it’s just a landing point group for JPF folks coming in world it’ll be worth doing
[11:36] Kaklick Martin: I just felt the time was right to try that since I really do think the group has goals that are aligned with what we’re trying to accomplish
[11:37] Kaklick Martin: the closest groups I can think of to being worth an ubrella status would be LME or maybe Independant Musicians, but they leave out the DJs
[11:38] Kaklick Martin: this wouldn’t want to be for the announcements
[11:39] Abbaca Aoi: one umbrella group for all musicians
[11:39] Abbaca Aoi: and one for announcements
[11:39] Kaklick Martin: for shows – I’d like to keep the Notice traffic down to maybe JPF functions
[11:41] Kaklick Martin: and beyond that, I hope it’s useful in the “cause”
[11:44] Kaklick Martin: it’d be like a more organized open mic, and let club owners and musicians get together and check each other out w/o some of the “stuff”
[11:47] Kaklick Martin: I want to be clear – I don’t “own” JPF, I just am trying to start a chapter here

[11:45] InfectionMusic Raymaker: folks, this is dizzy from the Metamusic group
[11:48] Dizzy Banjo: yeh.. i was thinking about metamusic.. that its probably not the right sort of group for lots of live musicians to join
[11:48] Dizzy Banjo: generally i think live music through a landstream works really well in SL
[11:48] InfectionMusic Raymaker: it’s more of an arts/ techie group right?
[11:48] Dizzy Banjo: yeh
[11:49] Dizzy Banjo: i think i want to concentrate on actual inworld sound
[11:49] Dizzy Banjo: rather than shoutcasted streamed stuff.. which is just the ideal solution for live gigs really
[11:49] Dizzy Banjo: saying that.. im very interesting in jamming technology
[11:50] Dizzy Banjo: and how that stuff could be used .. like ninjam.. ejamming etc
[11:50] InfectionMusic Raymaker: feeding SL instruments from the outside world
[11:50] Dizzy Banjo: VSTunnel.. etc
[11:50] Dizzy Banjo: ive got quite involved with martin at VSTunnel
[11:50] InfectionMusic Raymaker: the big issue I keep reading about is latency and lag
[11:50] Abbaca Aoi: I’m waiting for you guys to make me a synth I can play in SL
[11:50] Dizzy Banjo: hmm
[11:50] Dizzy Banjo: well i was talking about this with zero linden
[11:50] InfectionMusic Raymaker: making them in RL is easy. It’s these bloody virtual instruments that suck
[11:51] Dizzy Banjo: he is really into it
[11:51] InfectionMusic Raymaker: excellent
[11:51] Dizzy Banjo: i think torley would like it too
[11:51] Dizzy Banjo: im trying to build up a bit of a critical mass of people at linden lab who will try to get some cool stuff moving re music in world
[11:51] InfectionMusic Raymaker: so many ideas, so many possibilities – not enough time
[11:51] Dizzy Banjo: aric is very interested and has already joined metamusic
[11:52] InfectionMusic Raymaker: is a metamusic meeting scheduled sometime?>
[11:52] Dizzy Banjo: yeh i will organise one once we get a few more people joined up
[11:52] InfectionMusic Raymaker: how many at the moment?
[11:53] Dizzy Banjo: adam ramona, octal kahn who are both great sound artists in SL
[11:54] Dizzy Banjo: aric linden. who used to be a musician and music critic before becoming a linden
[11:54] Abbaca Aoi: he had keyboards you could play and fun stuff
[11:54] Dizzy Banjo: desdemona enfield who is a great audio scripter
[11:55] Dizzy Banjo: kaiser bogomil who is also a great audio scripter
[11:55] Dizzy Banjo: me
[11:55] InfectionMusic Raymaker: and me
[11:58] Abbaca Aoi: Dizzy, what do you think about having ONE umbrella musician group…
[11:58] Abbaca Aoi: and then an Annoucements group
[11:58] Dizzy Banjo: yeh i think its good to have one group for musicians
[11:58] Abbaca Aoi: or at least one umbrella musicians group
[11:59] Dizzy Banjo: i think people will be very choosy .. about running out of slots
[11:59] Dizzy Banjo: i think its just good to concentrate groups on specific things
[12:03] Kaklick Martin: it’s too bad you can’t use roles to determine SIGs w/in groups that get different IM’s and Notices
[12:04] Kaklick Martin: maybe that would be a Linden thing that could help
[12:04] Kaklick Martin: If one group could have Musicians as one role and Venue owners as another and Listeners as another
[12:05] Kaklick Martin: and you could decide which Roles an IM oor notice went out to
[12:05] Abbaca Aoi: yes well then you would get into who is a musician and who is not, lol
[12:06] Kaklick Martin: I think a lot of folks (esp old folks like me) still think of using multiple groups instead of using roles w/in a group
[12:06] Kaklick Martin: even with the role structure we have now
[12:07] Kaklick Martin: one other thing, is, that back a few months ago we had serious breakage in larger group IMs
[12:07] Kaklick Martin: so I think some of the splinter groups were helping to deal w/ that
[12:08] Abbaca Aoi: I think that is really good thinking !
[12:08] Kaklick Martin: I’ll try and get that writen up and posted to the list, forum and Jira

[12:02] Dizzy Banjo: i want metamusic to be something concetrating on delivering 3d point source audio in world and the creative possibilties of that
[12:14] Dizzy Banjo: i think it will mainly be about pushing the boundaries of in world point source audio.. ie.. not landstream music ..
[12:15] Kaklick Martin: I also like the idea of midi input, for things beyond music
[12:15] Dizzy Banjo: yeh that would be awesome
[12:15] Dizzy Banjo: in world synth objects..triggered from clients
[12:16] BlueWall Slade: i would like to see a fast / reliable 2 way comm channel that is generic
[12:16] Dizzy Banjo: yeh.. well.. i had an interesting discussion with zero linden about it
[12:16] Kaklick Martin: you could also use it to trigger lights, animations,etc
[12:16] BlueWall Slade: with enough tools in LSL to make midi/dmx or whatever
[12:16] Kaklick Martin: well, there is already a Midi Show control spec
[12:17] BlueWall Slade: what is point source?
[12:17] Dizzy Banjo: http://dizzybanjo.wordpress.com/
[12:17] Dizzy Banjo: theres two recent linden office hours discussions on there about it..
[12:20] BlueWall Slade: yeah, i suppose if the comm channel was limited to midi…
[12:20] BlueWall Slade: it would limit other uses without a lot of effort
[12:20] BlueWall Slade: which would probably be a good thing
[12:20] BlueWall Slade: spammers, etc
[12:22] BlueWall Slade: i would like to see a personal media channel
[12:22] BlueWall Slade: to develop things similar to ipods
[12:22] Kaklick Martin: yeah, that’s floated through my head a few times too
[12:22] BlueWall Slade: that would help with music distribution
[12:23] BlueWall Slade: it would help from a business standpoint with the avatar density limitations
[12:23] BlueWall Slade: – at events
[12:23] Dizzy Banjo: have you seen the vHud ?
[12:23] Kaklick Martin: it also occurred to me you could do similar by llaunching a small web-client (for audio) w/ auto-play
[12:23] Dizzy Banjo: thats interesting.. that can stream video and audio directly to individual avatars
[12:23] BlueWall Slade: no – i have an e-mail about it, but have been too busy to check it out
[12:23] Dizzy Banjo: i have one on now.. but it only works on silverstream enabled land
[12:24] Kaklick Martin: ahhh
[12:24] Dizzy Banjo: i think that technology will be rolled out soon
[12:26] BlueWall Slade: i think it would need to be open
[12:26] BlueWall Slade: as far as the media standards, etc and not locked into a single company
[12:27] Dizzy Banjo: navillus batra.. over here : http://www.i3dnow.com/
[12:29] BlueWall Slade: ok – i’ll have to study it later
[12:29] BlueWall Slade: looks useful