MetaMusic discussion 04 took place yesterday. I was called away with some family matters at the last minute but a hard core of users turned up for what became a good discussion. Sorry for not making it people ! Thanks to everyone who turned up !!!

[14:17] No Freenote: hi everyone. nobody at the meeting yet this week, so…. in it’s place i would like to offer a little prayer for dizzy:
[14:18] No Freenote: oh heavenly father
[14:18] No Freenote: we thank you for this glorious day
[14:18] No Freenote: and on this occasion
[14:18] No Freenote: we ask you to keep dizzy banjo and his family safe
[14:18] No Freenote: oh heavenly father
[14:18] No Freenote: but more importantly
[14:18] No Freenote: we ask that you remove any incriminating evidence
[14:19] No Freenote: as we ramshackle dizzy’s home
[14:19] No Freenote: and steal all his stuff
[14:19] No Freenote: amen.
[13:57] Dizzy Banjo: hey no
[13:57] Dizzy Banjo: ive just popped in
[13:57] No Freenote: hello there.
[13:57] Dizzy Banjo: but im not going to be able to be around today
[13:57] Dizzy Banjo: im with my family as some stuff has come up i need to deal with
[13:57] Dizzy Banjo: hopefully people will be able to have a good discussion anyway
[13:58] No Freenote: yes
[13:58] Dizzy Banjo: im gonna park my av here anyway
[13:58] Dizzy Banjo: but if you could set to grab the chatlog just incase that would be great
[13:58] No Freenote: no problemo
[13:59] No Freenote: is the discussion @ 2pm today?
[14:00] Dizzy Banjo: yeh
[14:00] Dizzy Banjo: i expect due to the notice people may not attend
[14:00] Dizzy Banjo: let me just ping the group
[14:05] Dizzy Banjo: hmm
[14:05] Dizzy Banjo: well no one may turn up
[14:05] Dizzy Banjo: ill leave my av here
[14:05] Dizzy Banjo: i need to shoot
[14:05] Dizzy Banjo: hope its ok
[14:05] Dizzy Banjo: sorry about this
[14:06] No Freenote: hello malburns
[14:06] Malburns Writer: Hi No
[14:06] Malburns Writer: Hi Dizzy
[14:07] No Freenote: i think dizzy has left. he’s camped out here to catch our chat…. if there is one.
[14:07] Malburns Writer: Slow rez
[14:07] Malburns Writer: yes -saw notice
[14:08] Malburns Writer: Leslee McCarey is coming but may be delayed
[14:08] Malburns Writer: dont know about any others
[14:09] No Freenote: ok. well i don’t have any particular expertise here. i work with sound, but come here to learn.
[14:09] Malburns Writer: Me too – learn and report – lol
[14:10] Malburns Writer: not sure there was anything specific on agenda
[14:10] Malburns Writer: after new toys of last week
[14:10] No Freenote: yes. i was a bit hasty with the notices myself.
[14:10] No Freenote: why don’t you tell me about yourself malburns
[14:10] No Freenote: are you a musician?
[14:11] Malburns Writer: No – not musician
[14:11] Malburns Writer: have worked in music promotion and things over years RL
[14:11] Malburns Writer: but am designer by trade
[14:12] Malburns Writer: now retired so running ionformation things here
[14:12] Malburns Writer: twitter SL news all day (and half night) lol
[14:12] No Freenote: congratulations…. a young retiree.
[14:12] Malburns Writer: well – not entirely vuluntary
[14:12] Malburns Writer: like to keep working
[14:13] Malburns Writer: so SL fits with all other discliplines in one place i guess
[14:13] Malburns Writer: and is future of desktop as i see
[14:13] Malburns Writer: SL template for at least
[14:13] No Freenote: yes it is the best thing about sl: the wearing of many hats is encouraged if not necessary.
[14:14] Malburns Writer: prob too many hats in my case
[14:14] No Freenote: my personal philosophy is that an individual is good at all things uniformly
[14:14] Malburns Writer: my have to start limiting activities a bit
[14:14] No Freenote: that their primary love, that which they have passion for
[14:14] Malburns Writer: i think so too
[14:14] No Freenote: just teaches them how to lean and develop
[14:14] Malburns Writer: speciality is matter of habit as rule
[14:15] No Freenote: and sl is a nice way for people to feel this about themselves.
[14:15] No Freenote: as a matter of fact. i am working on video to accompany my music now.
[14:15] Malburns Writer: yes – it is following impulses
[14:15] Malburns Writer: not anyonme telling you what to do
[14:16] No Freenote: i’ll be hosting an instalations next weekend, either before or after the metamusic meeting.
[14:16] Malburns Writer: makes very expressive environment
[14:16] Malburns Writer: oh – where?
[14:16] No Freenote: i’ll send you an invitation. would love to have you.
[14:16] Malburns Writer: please do
[14:16] No Freenote: i think i’ll make an annoucement for the metamusicers now….
[14:16] Malburns Writer: are you on tywitter?
[14:16] Malburns Writer: k
[14:17] Malburns Writer: Hi Sabina
[14:17] Sabina Stenvaag: hi!
[14:17] Sabina Stenvaag: if i’m stanfding on someone–my apologies–still rezzing!`
[14:17] Sabina Stenvaag: wow–i’m NOT!
[14:18] Malburns Writer: you arent – is quiet for minute
[14:18] Malburns Writer: ziggy is busy but here for notes i think
[14:18] Sabina Stenvaag: ziggy??
[14:19] Malburns Writer: lol no – !!!!
[14:19] Malburns Writer: Hi Leslee
[14:19] No Freenote: hi sabina. hi leslee.
[14:20] Leslee McCarey: Hi Mal, No, Sabina
[14:20] Sabina Stenvaag: hi!
[14:20] Malburns Writer: Dizzy got called away seems, so is ghost taking notes i think
[14:20] Leslee McCarey: and dizzy in absentia
[14:20] Sabina Stenvaag: ah–Dizzy! got it! TY!
[14:21] Leslee McCarey: and LOL No, on your group IM
[14:21] No Freenote: so mal was just telling me that he is an sl freelancer….
[14:21] No Freenote: thank you.
[14:21] Sabina Stenvaag: well–i know nothing about music–or streaming it–jsut here cause I LOVED the Garden of Immersive Sound by Adam Ramona!
[14:21] No Freenote: and i make music and anything else i can here in second life.
[14:21] Malburns Writer: oh – never saw that
[14:21] No Freenote: sabina, what do you do?
[14:22] Malburns Writer: Hi Golemsense
[14:22] No Freenote: hi golem
[14:22] Sabina Stenvaag: soirry–now–i’m getting some group spam….
[14:22] Sabina Stenvaag: what do i do? well–in RL i manage data–lame stuff
[14:22] Malburns Writer: there is lots of spam today
[14:22] No Freenote: helpful here…
[14:23] No Freenote: and why do you come to metamusic? are you a musician?
[14:23] Leslee McCarey: somtimes it’s a benefit to have IMs get capped, me’thinks!
[14:23] Sabina Stenvaag: oh–well–MY sl pal is an experimental musician in RL–i LIKE music
[14:24] No Freenote: oh very good.
[14:24] Sabina Stenvaag: I like some of the soundscapes I’ve seen at Marni sim
[14:24] Malburns Writer: i LOVE my music though dont play
[14:24] Leslee McCarey: music certainly needs fans !
[14:24] Malburns Writer: Leslee is greta musician though
[14:24] No Freenote: indeed. are you a musician leslee?
[14:24] Leslee McCarey: yup
[14:24] Sabina Stenvaag: I’m interested in the possibilities of sound in SL
[14:24] No Freenote: oh great.
[14:24] Leslee McCarey: singer-songwriter-cvomposer
[14:24] Leslee McCarey: just started performing in SL a coupla weeks ago
[14:24] No Freenote: what instrument / genre?
[14:25] Leslee McCarey: my original traning was classical piano – but then got into folk, and compose all over the map as far as genres
[14:25] Leslee McCarey: so I play piano, keyboards, acoustic guitar, sing
[14:25] No Freenote: that’s great.
[14:26] No Freenote: as far as instruments, piano is a lot like the sl building tools.
[14:26] No Freenote: very basic. makes the concepts easy
[14:26] Leslee McCarey: and am also a bit of a builder in SL, so the ambient sound options are of great interest
[14:26] No Freenote: that’s fantastic.
[14:27] Leslee McCarey: yes, I’ve got the training to make much of it easy – and have been doing MIDI work for 20 years
[14:27] No Freenote: metamusic is somewhat of a strange place for me
[14:27] No Freenote: i tend to shy away from any sound that isn’t music
[14:27] Leslee McCarey: but also have been out of performing or doing much musically for some years
[14:27] No Freenote: i wear earplugs at night
[14:28] Malburns Writer: hah – i cant sleep UNLESS music is playing – lol!
[14:28] No Freenote: and walk around with all mysliders down in the day
[14:28] No Freenote: ha
[14:28] Leslee McCarey: I live in a rural location – especially this time of year the only sounds tend to be critter noises
[14:28] No Freenote: but dizzy has been fantastic with me and i learn a lot here.
[14:29] Leslee McCarey: No, what have your SL pursuits been thus far?
[14:29] Sabina Stenvaag: sorry–can you sorta degine metamusic–google seems a lil limited
[14:29] Sabina Stenvaag: define*
[14:29] Sabina Stenvaag: theres no wikipedia entry eitehr!
[14:29] No Freenote: well, i run an exercise class m-f called nanorobics
[14:30] Leslee McCarey: for purposes of this group, it refers to all the other forms of music & sound in SL aside from live music performance
[14:30] No Freenote: sabina: my understanding is that this group is focused on ambient sound possibilites and soundscaping
[14:30] Malburns Writer: i think dizzy named after habit of late
[14:30] Malburns Writer: metaverse is virtual worlds
[14:30] Leslee McCarey: and all the potential ways music and ambient sound could happen in SL, with some changes in the client and LSL
[14:30] Malburns Writer: metaversed is website and grou
[14:30] Sabina Stenvaag: h ha ok–that makes more sense than music to reduce stress!!!
[14:30] Malburns Writer: metanomic is economics group
[14:31] Malburns Writer: metamusic seemed logical for music group
[14:31] No Freenote: yes the idea is not to work within the sl framwork, but to alter the framework to accomodate the needs of thorough sound installation.
[14:31] Sabina Stenvaag: right right–and I understand meta generally–jsut google gave me some hippy dippy stuff!
[14:31] No Freenote: leslee, so i teach class and also promote my music
[14:31] Malburns Writer: expanjd horizons and possibilities of music and sound inworld geneerally
[14:32] No Freenote: through dj’ing, live performance, and any other way i can
[14:32] No Freenote: next week i’m opening an a/v installation of my work
[14:32] Sabina Stenvaag: Leslle do you do RL live shows and stream to SL?
[14:32] Sabina Stenvaag: oh wow–No! will that be in SL?
[14:33] No Freenote: yes. one of the metamusic group members has granted me a parcel on his sim for the show.
[14:34] No Freenote: will be right after the meeting next week.
[14:34] Sabina Stenvaag: so you’ree jsut changing the media url for that plot for the show is that how it’s generally done no?
[14:34] Malburns Writer: Hi Da5id
[14:34] Da5id Zsigmond: Hi all
[14:34] No Freenote: hi Da5id
[14:34] No Freenote: yes. at this point i have one 5 min video.
[14:34] Leslee McCarey: Sabina – no, I’m just performing in my living room – used to live gigs, but haven’t for yars
[14:35] Sabina Stenvaag: ah ok thanks
[14:35] Leslee McCarey: Hi Da5id!
[14:35] Da5id Zsigmond: Hi Leslee
[14:35] No Freenote: but i may add more and need to call the videos dynamically
[14:35] Sabina Stenvaag: has anyone heard of changes to the lenght of a sound file that can be uploaded–do y’all think it will change (any time soom?)
[14:36] Leslee McCarey: No – that will be after next week’s meeting, is that your plan?
[14:36] Da5id Zsigmond: haven’t heard anything
[14:36] No Freenote: yes.
[14:36] Leslee McCarey: Sabina – what seems to be developing are some other tools for streaming that don’t depend on using the land stream
[14:37] No Freenote: i think that most people are focused on utilising http on a prim for more intricate sound work in order to preserve sl resources.
[14:37] Sabina Stenvaag: ah ok! http on a prim will go on my list of things to look up!
[14:37] No Freenote: ok. i’ve tossed my mexico chiken hud. anybody got one to give to sabina?
[14:37] Leslee McCarey: and there are also some tools coming along to make it workable to use a string of 10s clips
[14:38] No Freenote: last week we review a couple new products sabina.
[14:38] Sabina Stenvaag: leslee is that using LSL or something else?
[14:38] Da5id Zsigmond: where did you hear the thiing about the 10 s samples
[14:38] Leslee McCarey: LSL
[14:38] Sabina Stenvaag: wow–great leslee TY
[14:38] Da5id Zsigmond: cool
[14:38] No Freenote: we reviewed the hud i just mentioned.
[14:39] Sabina Stenvaag: mexico chiken hud right? what is that??
[14:39] Leslee McCarey: Da5id – I think that’s the basis of the Cruxy player – there’s something else but I can’t remember the name of it
[14:39] No Freenote: which is like a widescreen tv that plays within second life, but on top of everything else.
[14:39] Sabina Stenvaag: NO where is it getting its input form–the www?
[14:39] Sabina Stenvaag: from*
[14:39] Leslee McCarey: web
[14:39] Sabina Stenvaag: ah ok!
[14:40] No Freenote: i don’t remember
[14:40] No Freenote: another product
[14:40] Sabina Stenvaag: wow–would love to monkey around with the mexico chix hud!
[14:40] Leslee McCarey: for the newer items, like the one we previewed last week, for which that needle thing in the middle of the table is the antenna
[14:40] Malburns Writer: problem with HUDs is they are personal extensions
[14:40] No Freenote: is this antenna that is on the table in front of us.
[14:40] Malburns Writer: i rely on a lot for productivity, but are not sharing experience
[14:41] Malburns Writer: so for music and video not ideal
[14:41] Sabina Stenvaag: right–good point
[14:41] No Freenote: which can link to http, in a defined radius, regardless of the parcel / sim media settings
[14:41] Leslee McCarey: Sabina – also look up “Media on a Prim” in the LSL wiki – separate pg in addition to the “html on a prim” pg
[14:42] No Freenote: i’m a little torn myself mal…,
[14:42] No Freenote: sl declares itself to be social
[14:42] Sabina Stenvaag: TY leslee–will do!
[14:42] Leslee McCarey: one of the things we’ve done here is attempted some brainstoming to add to the case list
[14:42] Malburns Writer: yes – objects fromj net on a prim is more important than actual html itself
[14:42] No Freenote: and my work is for the individual.
[14:43] No Freenote: so for my needs, this hud fits the bill.
[14:43] No Freenote: sort of
[14:43] Malburns Writer: yes – huds have uses
[14:43] Malburns Writer: but is shared experience that makes SL so far ahead of web
[14:43] No Freenote: yes. you will see my solution next week.
[14:44] Da5id Zsigmond: The one interesting thing that came up last week was using this idea to allow multiple viewers at an event
[14:44] Malburns Writer: but programming could be synched for ppl waering same hud
[14:44] Malburns Writer: like tour huds sometimes are
[14:44] No Freenote: yes. that was silverstream i believe.
[14:44] No Freenote: nice mal….
[14:44] Malburns Writer: yes – anything that breaks one screen per parcel rule would be great advance
[14:44] Da5id Zsigmond: Does anyone have a link to more silverstream info?
[14:45] No Freenote: it is on the blog… hang on….
[14:45] Malburns Writer: i think dizzy has at later point
[14:45] Da5id Zsigmond: I can check that later, thanx
[14:46] No Freenote: well da5id
[14:46] Leslee McCarey: I love how dizzy’s avie periodically wakes up
[14:46] No Freenote: we’ve all introduced ourselves
[14:46] Da5id Zsigmond: I think the ability to attend an event where you want a lot of folks above the av limit would be great
[14:46] Malburns Writer: is like old man in chair who stirs now and again – lol!!!
[14:46] Da5id Zsigmond: lol
[14:46] No Freenote: can you tell us about yourself please? what brings you to metamusic?
[14:46] Leslee McCarey: lol
[14:47] Da5id Zsigmond: who are you talking to?
[14:47] Leslee McCarey: lol – you, Da5id
[14:47] Da5id Zsigmond: ah – old guy – started doing electronic music in the 70’s on analog stuff.
[14:47] No Freenote: ha
[14:48] Da5id Zsigmond: then became recording engineer for a long time.
[14:48] Malburns Writer: Hi Spindale
[14:48] No Freenote: awesome. i just made a bootleg of donna summers ‘i feel love’
[14:48] Da5id Zsigmond: mainly interested in using SL in world sound
[14:48] Da5id Zsigmond: built a big system to do multiple synced loops -
[14:49] Da5id Zsigmond: my next goal in SL is a getting 2 phrases of music to play one after the other lol
[14:49] Leslee McCarey: you mean sequence of 10s clips?
[14:49] Da5id Zsigmond: yeah.
[14:49] Da5id Zsigmond: sigh
[14:49] Leslee McCarey: I have a script that does that
[14:49] Da5id Zsigmond: I can make it happen but its really cludgy
[14:50] Da5id Zsigmond: how did you approach it?
[14:50] Leslee McCarey: tho it sometimes takes a bit for it to get the clips downloaded and running smoothly
[14:50] Da5id Zsigmond: yeah that’s a first problem.
[14:50] Leslee McCarey: LOL – I swiped a script out of a freebie harp!
[14:50] Sabina Stenvaag: yep–DL the sounds for smooth seems to be the big obstacle
[14:50] Leslee McCarey: then modified it with my own clips
[14:50] Da5id Zsigmond: but try and do it and have it synced to a master!!!!
[14:50] Leslee McCarey: which I wanted to play in sequence and then loop
[14:50] Second Life: You have left the group ‘Iron Poets’.
[14:51] Leslee McCarey: and, amazingly, it does seem to work, after I dinked around for a while
[14:51] Malburns Writer: Hi Blackmamba
[14:51] Leslee McCarey: Hi Blackmamba
[14:51] Blackmamba Sands: hello everyone
[14:51] Da5id Zsigmond: I can get a sequence to play but not related to anything else.
[14:51] No Freenote: and there isthere is a group that has perfected this. with huge buffering. we discussed two weeks ago. ninja something or other.
[14:52] Da5id Zsigmond: hmm
[14:52] Leslee McCarey: you want it to relate to some other SL “event” or avie action?
[14:52] Leslee McCarey: other than proximity?
[14:52] Malburns Writer: you could make an mp3 sequence of loops and play as Flash 5 file on video channel
[14:52] Malburns Writer: if not using for video
[14:52] Da5id Zsigmond: No – just to have a drum sequence and be able to select multiple higher voices.
[14:52] Malburns Writer: Hi Aliki
[14:52] aliki Tenk: hi
[14:53] Leslee McCarey: Hi aliki
[14:53] Da5id Zsigmond: The 10 second limit works out to about 4 bars to work with at most tempos
[14:53] Leslee McCarey: I’m guessing you’ve looked at Robbie Dingo’s drum sets?
[14:53] No Freenote: hi aliki, blackmamba
[14:53] aliki Tenk: hmm
[14:53] Da5id Zsigmond: I have a bit.
[14:54] Blackmamba Sands: hi No
[14:54] Da5id Zsigmond: What would be wonderful would be the PlaySoundList function – if we could get LL to implement it.
[14:55] Da5id Zsigmond: Wtih a Play SoundListSlave variation of course
[14:55] Leslee McCarey: that would be cool
[14:55] aliki Tenk: bye people
[14:55] Leslee McCarey: pprobably something to put on the list for whenever Dizzy sets up this meeting w/ musically informed Lindens
[14:56] No Freenote: that name is NINJAM <—- linking 10s audio clips
[14:56] Leslee McCarey: ah – good, No F
[14:56] Da5id Zsigmond: yeah – I did stick a proposal for this on the JIRA. Some votes would help
[14:56] Sabina Stenvaag: got the link to jira? ill vote
[14:56] Leslee McCarey: Da5id – did you also added it to the “media on a prim” wiki pg?
[14:56] No Freenote: www.i3dnow.com <—– silverstream website.
[14:56] Da5id Zsigmond: not immediately – I find it awkward to find it each time.
[14:57] Sabina Stenvaag: np–im sure icn find it!
[14:57] Sabina Stenvaag: i can*
[14:57] Leslee McCarey: ooops – that’s “media on a parcel”…
[14:57] Da5id Zsigmond: No – that was a while ago – before Metamusic group.
[14:57] No Freenote: http://dizzybanjo.wordpress.com/ <——- metamusic blog
[14:57] Sabina Stenvaag: hee hee reading the metamusic blog now!
[14:57] Leslee McCarey: http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Media_on_a_parcel
[14:58] No Freenote: http://metamusic.forumarena.com/metamusic-forum-1.html <——- metamusic forum.
[14:58] Da5id Zsigmond: The place to vote is in the scripting JIRA thing relating to bugs etc..
[14:59] No Freenote: i see there are discussions begun for some of your questions in the forums da5id
[14:59] Da5id Zsigmond: that’s nice – haven’t checked them out for a while.
[14:59] Leslee McCarey makes note to spend some quality time @ the metamusic forum discussions…
[15:01] Leslee McCarey: oh – just a note about one smallish sound build that’s kind of fun, using 10s bits: newly opened Orange sim
[15:01] Leslee McCarey: it’s activated by collision
[15:01] Leslee McCarey: so move around in the cubes
[15:01] Leslee McCarey: there are also some footprints that are activated by standing on them
[15:01] Da5id Zsigmond: I was thinking about doing that with drums so you could just do different animations to play them.
[15:01] Malburns Writer: sounds cool
[15:01] No Freenote: with the girl voices?
[15:02] Leslee McCarey: da5id – maybe a basic controller window w/buttons
[15:02] Sabina Stenvaag: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-1423 <—— llPlaySoundListSlave
[15:03] Da5id Zsigmond: That’s no problem – its getting the two phases both loaded and available and then one to start at the end of the other.
[15:03] Da5id Zsigmond: This is extremely awkward.
[15:03] Da5id Zsigmond: If you want to sync things.
[15:03] Leslee McCarey: you now have another vote, Da5id
[15:03] Leslee McCarey: very true
[15:03] Da5id Zsigmond: Cool -
[15:03] Da5id Zsigmond: thx
[15:04] Malburns Writer: On twitter – sheep say log-in server can now handle 3000 ppl per minute
[[15:04] Malburns Writer: sideline that
[15:04] Da5id Zsigmond: Set sound queing should be a way but I can’t get that to happen when using PlaySoundSlave
[15:04] Leslee McCarey: somebody poke that slacker dizzy – he’s nodded off again
[15:04] Malburns Writer: lol
[15:04] No Freenote: you mentioned twitter earlier… and i’m not a member….
[15:05] Leslee McCarey: www.twitter.com
[15:05] Sabina Stenvaag: Mal–you said “sheep say” who’s sheep? teh ESC?
[15:05] Malburns Writer: electic sheep company – behind On Rez and CSI build
[15:05] Sabina Stenvaag: right –ESC ok!
[15:06] Da5id Zsigmond: Did anyone see the CSI show?
[15:06] Sabina Stenvaag: LOG OFF NOW!
[15:06] Sabina Stenvaag: ha ha hYES
[15:06] No Freenote: ha ha your a butt sniffer
[15:06] Sabina Stenvaag: got thier client viewer–
[15:06] Malburns Writer: lol
[15:06] Leslee McCarey: http://twitter.com/lesliemckay
[15:07] Malburns Writer: there are tshirts everywhere with that on
[15:07] No Freenote: blackmamba…. we’ve all gone around and introduced ourselves….
[15:07] No Freenote: would you do the same?
[15:07] Sabina Stenvaag: no way–i’ve not see the shirts hwat a riot!
[15:07] Blackmamba Sands: sure, I have opened the E.E.Cummings Center for Art and Music in Zarahemla Hawaii
[15:08] Blackmamba Sands: i am a proffessional musician and composer
[15:08] Leslee McCarey: eecummings center is RL or SL?
[15:08] Blackmamba Sands: i play analog instruments, and i compose electronic music
[15:08] Blackmamba Sands: SL
[15:08] MystiTool HUD 1.0.21: Entering chat range: No Freenote (1m)
[15:08] Da5id Zsigmond: Too bad – was going to apply for a job. lol
[15:09] Blackmamba Sands: lol
[15:09] Leslee McCarey: LOL da3id
[15:09] No Freenote: so i got kicked
[15:09] No Freenote: did you give us an intro blackmambe?
[15:09] Sabina Stenvaag: wb No!
[15:10] Blackmamba Sands: yes i did NO! lol
[15:10] Leslee McCarey: yup, No – you missed it
[15:10] Leslee McCarey: [15:07] Blackmamba Sands: sure, I have opened the E.E.Cummings Center for Art and Music in Zarahemla Hawaii
[15:10] Leslee McCarey: [15:08] Blackmamba Sands: i am a proffessional musician and composer
[15:10] Da5id Zsigmond: I’m going to have to check the transcript later myself.
[15:10] No Freenote: ok can somebody give me a copy of the transcript from when i said buttsniffer please.
[15:10] Leslee McCarey: [15:08] Blackmamba Sands: i play analog instruments, and i compose electronic music
[15:10] Sabina Stenvaag: Blackmamba Sands: Sure, I have opened the E.E.Cummings Center for Art and Music in Zarahemla Hawaii i am a proffessional musician and composer [15:08] Leslee McCarey: eecummings center is RL or SL?
[15:08] Blackmamba Sands: i play analog instruments, and i compose electronic music [15:08] Blackmamba Sands: SL
[15:08] Da5id Zsigmond: Too bad – was going to apply for a job. lol [15:09] Blackmamba Sands: lol [15:09] Leslee
McCarey: LOL da3id [15:09] No Freenote: so i got kicked
[15:11] Leslee McCarey: in stereo even, No!
[15:11] Sabina Stenvaag: whoops im too slow
[15:11] No Freenote: thx
[15:11] No Freenote: that’s fantastic.
[15:11] No Freenote: i don’t know if i should abbreviate to bm or bs….
[15:12] Blackmamba Sands: Mamba is fine
[15:12] Sabina Stenvaag: ack!
[15:12] No Freenote: great.
[15:12] No Freenote: to you perform in sl?
[15:13] Blackmamba Sands: i would love to, but unfortunately my experience in computer know;ledge is limited, and I am trying to figure out how this would be possible
[15:13] Sabina Stenvaag: apparently this is the group to talk to!
[15:14] No Freenote: well this is a great place to do so. please bug us with your technical questions
[15:14] Da5id Zsigmond: If you like questions. lol
[15:14] Blackmamba Sands: also i am on a Mac, and this requires further technical knowledge and experience
[15:14] No Freenote: no. i think macs are better for sl media
[15:14] Leslee McCarey: Mamba, have you plugged into the SL Musicians message boards? might be a good place to connect with some tech info for doing live sound streaming
[15:14] No Freenote: i use pc.
[15:14] Leslee McCarey: I do al my music stuff on a Mac
[15:15] Blackmamba Sands: thanks Leslee, i will definitely do that, i didnt kbnow about it
[15:15] Leslee McCarey: lemme find the URL…
[15:15] Leslee McCarey: http://slmc.myfastforum.org/index.php
[15:16] Blackmamba Sands: oh great, thanks alot Leslee
[15:16] Da5id Zsigmond: dizzy woke up.
[15:16] No Freenote: http://blog.slmusic.org/?page_id=40created <—– jaycatt’s second life streaming tutorial
[15:16] Leslee McCarey: lindens started an email gruop to talk about music related stuff inworld as an input source
[15:16] Leslee McCarey: the group noted it would be considerably easier to keep track of conversations in a threaded message board, and Slim Warrior had one
[15:16] Da5id Zsigmond: how do you find that??
[15:17] Leslee McCarey: haven’t had enuf time to realy read a whole lot there, Da5id
[15:17] Leslee McCarey: tho its’ certainly on the to-do-list
[15:17] Da5id Zsigmond: I would love to find a Linden to ask some system type questions of.
[15:17] Leslee McCarey: and I had no trouble connecting with a couple of folks who gave me some needed tips on the stream details
[15:18] No Freenote: all the software and plugs are free….
[15:18] Leslee McCarey: Da5id – I’m guessing you saw Dizzy’s notice abotu his planned soiree for this group w/lindens?
[15:18] Sabina Stenvaag: in world officehours for lindens at :http://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=mvktahmo6mjpvpkkkdnmabmghg%40group.calendar.google.com
[15:18] Da5id Zsigmond: looking forward to it.
[15:19] Leslee McCarey: I don’t know how much the email group has helped or impacted – it was only started maybe 2 months ago, if that
[15:19] Da5id Zsigmond: There was the one that led to the formation of this group.
[15:21] Da5id Zsigmond: Dizzy’s asleep again. lol
[15:21] Da5id Zsigmond: Just to throw one out for discussion – I think we need to look at the issue of causality in SL
[15:21] Sabina Stenvaag: i dont know what you mean by that
[15:22] Da5id Zsigmond: How do you get an avatar to play an instrument.?
[15:22] Sabina Stenvaag: animations
[15:22] Leslee McCarey: in the beginning there was Linden… and on the seventh crtash, he rested.
[15:22] Da5id Zsigmond: How do you get animations to relate to each other.
[15:22] Sabina Stenvaag: scripting??
[15:22] Da5id Zsigmond: How do you get different samples to relate to each other.
[15:22] Sabina Stenvaag: lsl?
[15:23] Da5id Zsigmond: For example – to get two samples to play one after the other you seem to need to set a timer with the exact length of the first sample.
[15:23] Leslee McCarey: right
[15:23] Da5id Zsigmond: There’s no way to say play this after that.
[15:23] No Freenote: i’ve mentioned an ‘end of’ event but not sure if it is a scripting language possibility.
[15:23] Da5id Zsigmond: With the timer it doesn’t know that the sound took 5 seconds to upload.
[15:24] Da5id Zsigmond: There should be a flag in the fmod software. Pretty standard musical requirement.
[15:24] Da5id Zsigmond: I’m trying to think of ways different people can come together and add musical elements.
[15:24] No Freenote: yes, with it’s own properties upon uploading like the loop function when uploading animations.
[15:25] Da5id Zsigmond: People can do stuff together as long as its not involving any tempo or other timebase.
[15:25] Leslee McCarey: i.e., da5id, how to have a musically satisfying jam session
[15:25] Da5id Zsigmond: yeah.
[15:26] Leslee McCarey: LOL – that woke dizzy up
[15:26] Da5id Zsigmond: There will always be limitations but rather than just streaming things from outside how do we play together.
[15:26] Sabina Stenvaag: wow–way over my head–jam session thing!
[15:26] No Freenote: there could be problems though with the queue. if one hundred people play sounds at the same time….
[15:26] Da5id Zsigmond: lol – a problem in RL jams too.
[15:26] Sabina Stenvaag: hee hee
[15:26] Sabina Stenvaag: can that be done on the WWW curtrently??
[15:26] Leslee McCarey: if 100 SLers sit at 100 keyboards will they eventually lproduce Beethoven’s 5th?
[15:27] No Freenote: no, but if only one sound is allowed at a time, then i have 100 commands bogging down my client
[15:27] No Freenote: griefers would love this
[15:27] Sabina Stenvaag: currently*–that is severel playing in diffe. geograhoic regions all hearding the same?
[15:28] Da5id Zsigmond: You can have more than one in world sound at a time.
[15:28] No Freenote: didn’t you say you wanted one sound to kick off another at its endpoint?
[15:28] Sabina Stenvaag: right–but currently on the www–can say 7 people upload a stream at the same tiem and have others in diff. locations hear it?
[15:29] Leslee McCarey: Sabina – there are currently tools for passing along a stream, with each successive person adding more to it…
[15:29] Da5id Zsigmond: Freenote – trying to get two phrases joined together.
[15:29] Sabina Stenvaag: but that is not a jam session in real time them right?
[15:29] Sabina Stenvaag: time*
[15:29] No Freenote: i must have misunderstood.
[15:29] Leslee McCarey: but otherwise, there has to be some kind of time code to keep things together, and a pretty limited definition of key, tempo, chord progression
[15:29] Da5id Zsigmond: Yes and no. You still have to use uploaded samples but you can at least decide what phrase you want when.
[15:30] Da5id Zsigmond: Think of building a musical instrument you can play – but its more like a sampler.
[15:31] Da5id Zsigmond: Drums can be on a single short loop.
[15:31] Da5id Zsigmond: But building an interesting melody part requires more than one phrase .
[15:31] No Freenote: outkast did something like this for their release of idlewild
[15:32] No Freenote: a looping sampler
[15:32] Da5id Zsigmond: idlewild?
[15:32] No Freenote: with all different song parts
[15:32] No Freenote: their movie
[15:32] Da5id Zsigmond: that sounds interesting.
[15:33] No Freenote: http://www.idlewildmovie.net/
[15:33] Malburns Writer: it would be nice to build different instruments as HUDs that output inworld for jamming
[15:33] Malburns Writer: HUDs couyld access data from web maybe
[15:34] Da5id Zsigmond: That is an interesting possibility that would bypass the 10second limit but how do you sync them again??
[15:35] Malburns Writer: for jamming i think would be instinct by players
[15:35] Da5id Zsigmond: Referring to the download delays to each client.
[15:35] Malburns Writer: like when playing live here you account for sound delays
[15:35] Malburns Writer: oh – good point
[15:35] Da5id Zsigmond: As was mentioned a timecode of some sort would be necessary.
[15:35] Malburns Writer: am ideas man – not necessarily practical – lol
[15:36] Da5id Zsigmond: Leslee you mentioned the time code thing.
[15:36] Leslee McCarey: da5id – yes thinking MIDI timecode, actually
[15:37] Da5id Zsigmond: If we could have a sync master that wasn’t a sound but told you where bar 1 was and that

the sound you want to play should start there.
[15:37] Da5id Zsigmond: Or two bars after for ex.
[15:37] Leslee McCarey: yes, just like setting up a basic click track
[15:37] Da5id Zsigmond: precisely.
[15:38] Da5id Zsigmond: Whenever musicians play they usually have a set tempo, key, and progression of some sort.
[15:38] Leslee McCarey: I would think, with that, and a known tune in a set key, it could work….
[15:38] Da5id Zsigmond: We have to send things in wild because of the delays and have them synced in world.
[15:38] Da5id Zsigmond: Probably in the client.
[15:38] Leslee McCarey: but you would never have real audio feedback loops to be able to hear what you’re playing

against, because of latency
[15:39] Leslee McCarey: yes, exactly
[15:39] Leslee McCarey: so audience would get the whole show, the players would have to wait for a replay
[15:39] Leslee McCarey: which would be wierd!
[15:39] Leslee McCarey: lol
[15:39] Da5id Zsigmond: yeah – it does have limitations but different people could bring different elements to a

single show.
[15:40] Da5id Zsigmond: And all the parts would work together when played for each client at home.
[15:40] Leslee McCarey: I’ve seen one live inworld performance where they bounced the stream down thru 3 players,

each adding and the 3rd doing the actual stream broacast
[15:40] Leslee McCarey: and that worked quite well
[15:40] Da5id Zsigmond: a novel approach.
[15:41] Leslee McCarey: but the players, except the last one, really can’t hear the whole until after the performance
[15:41] Leslee McCarey: Hi FraBla
[15:41] Malburns Writer: Hi Frabla
[15:41] Da5id Zsigmond: The fact we have to face for a while is that real time is going to be an SL problem.
[15:42] Leslee McCarey: yes, aside from a conventional live stream with whoever is together in RL
[15:42] Da5id Zsigmond: Until I get the 1 gig internet connection.

[15:42] FraBla Bombast: hi hope i dont disturb you if so i would leave
[15:42] Leslee McCarey: or fairly simple SL setups like robbies drum/gamelan sets
[15:43] Da5id Zsigmond: I don’t find the streaming in thing as interesting personally.
[15:43] Leslee McCarey: it’s good for the performer – but isn’t particularly breaking new ground, other than exposure well beyond a limited RL gig
[15:44] No Freenote: ok everyone. i’m outta here. good to meet you all. i’m giving dizzy a notecard with the first hour. could somebody please copy down for him fro 15:00 onward. thanks.
[15:44] No Freenote: bye everyone
[15:44] Malburns Writer: Bye No – see u soon
[15:44] Leslee McCarey: cya No!
[15:44] Leslee McCarey: you gone too Da5id?
[15:45] Leslee McCarey: ah – ok – you’re in IM then, just in case you didin’t realize it – LOL
[15:45] Sabina Stenvaag: gang–i got some good links to read up on–i think i’m gonna go too! THanks!
[15:45] FraBla Bombast: i will leave too
[15:45] Da5id Zsigmond: there. I was in meta rather than near.
[15:45] Malburns Writer: OK Sabina – bye
[15:45] Leslee McCarey: probably a good point to wrap for today
[15:45] Sabina Stenvaag: thanks again
[15:45] Leslee McCarey: good meeting you Sabina!
[15:46] Da5id Zsigmond: If anyone would like to check out the loop thing I have built please come over to my island.
[15:46] Leslee McCarey: landmark, David?
[15:46] Da5id Zsigmond: Best get it off my profile.
[15:46] Leslee McCarey: ah – ok
[15:46] Da5id Zsigmond: I think you can do that. lol
[15:46] Leslee McCarey: lol
[15:47] Blackmamba Sands: i would love to see /hear what you’ve built Da5id
[15:47] Leslee McCarey: Zsigmoid Island, I presume?
[15:47] Da5id Zsigmond: that’s the one.
[15:48] Da5id Zsigmond: I always have problems with LM,s lol
[15:48] Leslee McCarey: LOL – understand
[15:48] Leslee McCarey: gotta dig in inventory to find them
[15:48] Leslee McCarey: and hope you grab the right noe
[15:48] Leslee McCarey: one
[15:48] Malburns Writer: this is the slurl is want copy http://slurl.com/secondlife/Sky%20Island%20East/140/182/29
[15:48] Da5id Zsigmond: One day I’ll figure out how to program HUDs too.
[15:49] Leslee McCarey: a HUD is basically an object attached as a HUD
[15:49] Da5id Zsigmond: As long as you’re on SkyIsland East you’re there.
[15:50] Da5id Zsigmond: I guess I will head off – thanks for the discussion everyone.
[15:50] Malburns Writer: Good chat – bye Da5id
[15:50] Leslee McCarey: you too Da5id – will check out your installation later
[15:50] Leslee McCarey needs to finish unloading some shopping from a RL sim adventure
[15:50] Da5id Zsigmond: should be easy to find.
[15:51] Dizzy Banjo: aha
[15:51] Dizzy Banjo: im here at last
[15:51] Leslee McCarey: hey! he shakes he stirs!
[15:51] Dizzy Banjo: lol
[15:51] Malburns Writer: Hi Dizzy
[15:51] Dizzy Banjo: sorry about not being around folks
[15:51] Da5id Zsigmond: Does he always wake up at the end of the party??
[15:51] Leslee McCarey: LOL
[15:51] Dizzy Banjo: bit of a family thing going down
[15:51] Malburns Writer: lol
[15:51] Malburns Writer: Good timing
[15:51] Dizzy Banjo: lol
[15:51] Leslee McCarey: we ate all the appetizers
[15:52] Da5id Zsigmond: next time we should remember the cocktails.
[15:52] Dizzy Banjo: u guys have a nice chat ?
[15:52] Leslee McCarey: yup, we did
[15:52] Dizzy Banjo: cool
[15:52] Dizzy Banjo: i think i have the log here so ill zoom through it
[15:52] Leslee McCarey: did you have logs running, Dizizy?
[15:52] Leslee McCarey: ah good
[15:53] Dizzy Banjo: cool
[15:54] Dizzy Banjo: well any ideas for the meeting with the lindens .. notecard me
[15:54] Dizzy Banjo: im going to draw up a list of stuff to go through
[15:54] Dizzy Banjo: i dont think it will be very formal though
[15:54] Leslee McCarey: any idea when that might happen, Dizzy?
[15:54] Dizzy Banjo: probably a thursday at 12:00 SLT
[15:55] Dizzy Banjo: that seems to be the best time for the various lindens
[15:55] Dizzy Banjo: it may not be this week though
[15:55] Dizzy Banjo: probably next week
[15:55] Leslee McCarey: hopefully I’ll be able to arrange my RL workday to jump in over lunch…
[15:55] Dizzy Banjo: yeh its hard .. i kind of have to do that one when they are all in work
[15:55] Dizzy Banjo: lol
[15:56] Dizzy Banjo: i might do it over at metaversed island
[15:56] Dizzy Banjo: dunno
[15:56] Dizzy Banjo: depends really
[15:56] Dizzy Banjo: i think the last meeting only went crazy big cos of the slipod demo really
[15:56] Leslee McCarey: just don’t do it on the 15th of Nov, when there’s a Linden speech thing happening
[15:56] Dizzy Banjo: yeh sure
[15:56] Malburns Writer: philip on 15th – dizzy knows
[15:57] Leslee McCarey: yes, I presumed so
[15:57] Malburns Writer: did you rebook without expensive docs?
[15:57] Dizzy Banjo: yeh
[15:57] Dizzy Banjo: well.. i did once with and once without
[15:57] Dizzy Banjo: lol
[15:57] Dizzy Banjo: either way.. im not paying
[15:57] Dizzy Banjo: lol
[15:57] Dizzy Banjo: hi NOA
[15:57] Malburns Writer: yea – i caught in time
[15:58] Leslee McCarey: I did register – hoping to arrange workday to listen
[15:58] Dizzy Banjo: ok well im totally exhausted here.. so im gonna go get some sleep
[15:58] Leslee McCarey: anyhow… off to unload
[15:58] Leslee McCarey: cya soon Dizy, mamba
[15:59] Leslee McCarey: and cya shortly, Mal
[15:59] Dizzy Banjo: cya
[15:59] Malburns Writer: me too – takie break for while
[15:59] Blackmamba Sands: see you Leslee, Dizzy, Malburn