This week with metamusic we were joined by a host of musical Linden Lab staff, including Jesse Linden, Aric Linden, Colossus Linden, Jeremy Linden, Sidewinder Linden, and Pathfinder Linden.

The conversation was frenetic and sometimes the multiple threads became confusing, but we covered alot of ground in the hours discussion. From here, hopefully we will be able to break it down into more managable topics for future Linden attended discussions.

It was great to have such a nice turn out, JenzZa Misfit took some great pics here :

http://www.smugmug.com/gallery/3796633/3/219080085

Here is the transcript :

[2007/11/08 12:02] Dizzy Banjo: ok.. well i may as well kick off..
[2007/11/08 12:02] Pyewacket Bellman: Howdy
[2007/11/08 12:02] Court Goodman: ill shut up
[2007/11/08 12:02] Dizzy Banjo: first of all i want to mention this land we are on briefly
[2007/11/08 12:02] Dizzy Banjo: its soemthing slim warrior is setting up for the SL Music Community group..
[2007/11/08 12:03] Dizzy Banjo: kind of like a musical community centre.. should be worth keeping a look out for..
[2007/11/08 12:03] Leslee McCarey: w00t Slimmie!
[2007/11/08 12:03] Court Goodman: great!
[2007/11/08 12:03] Jesse Linden: super
[2007/11/08 12:03] Dizzy Banjo: kind of logical for me to come over here too
[2007/11/08 12:03] Basil Wijaya: very nice
[2007/11/08 12:03] Dizzy Banjo: ok… so i thought it would be good to do a sort of run though of al the different ways of using sound and music in SL
[2007/11/08 12:04] Dizzy Banjo: and maybe talk through some of the things that LL are working on.. which im hoping aric and jesse and whoever might pop up will fill us in on
[2007/11/08 12:04] Jesse Linden:
[2007/11/08 12:05] Dizzy Banjo: so perhaps breaking it down.. we could say there are things like – uploaded 10s audio clips and how to work with them.. media streaming – the differing techniques emerging and how that might go forward.. voice technology and how that may be used for music / sound installations etc.. and id really like to talk about MIDI implementation and SL as a collaborative music platform
[2007/11/08 12:06] Dizzy Banjo: hi folks
[2007/11/08 12:06] Jeremy Linden: Hello!
[2007/11/08 12:06] Dizzy Banjo: hope the mystitable can expand to sit everyone
[2007/11/08 12:06] Dizzy Banjo: lol
[2007/11/08 12:06] Dizzy Banjo: so maybe we could work through those topics in some kind of order ? what you think ?
[2007/11/08 12:06] Sidewinder Linden: /hi dizzy, jenzza
[2007/11/08 12:06] Savannah Glimmer: I tested mine to fit up to 49
[2007/11/08 12:07] Pyewacket Bellman: Can we start with other than wav?
[2007/11/08 12:07] Da5id Zsigmond: that’s my main interest.
[2007/11/08 12:07] Dizzy Banjo: ok lets start with uploaded stuff
[2007/11/08 12:07] Patchouli Woollahra: oh hai.
[2007/11/08 12:07] Billy Trenton:
[2007/11/08 12:07] Patchouli Woollahra: Nothing like breakfast in bed.
[2007/11/08 12:07] Dizzy Banjo: and how that can be best controlled with LSL.. and if there are possibilies for improving the LSL commands for sound
[2007/11/08 12:07] Aric Linden: erm
[2007/11/08 12:08] Dizzy Banjo: ?
[2007/11/08 12:08] Dizzy Banjo: lol
[2007/11/08 12:08] Dizzy Banjo: patch
[2007/11/08 12:08] Patchouli Woollahra: llPreloadSound could work properly, for a start.
[2007/11/08 12:08] Dizzy Banjo: lol
[2007/11/08 12:08] Aric Linden: what’s not working?
[2007/11/08 12:08] Dizzy Banjo: i think thats probably the most wanted feature
[2007/11/08 12:08] Patchouli Woollahra: llPreloadSound.
[2007/11/08 12:08] Da5id Zsigmond: SetSoundQueueing has never worked for me in a slave situation.
[2007/11/08 12:09] Sidewinder Linden: waht doesn’t work about it patchouli?
[2007/11/08 12:09] Patchouli Woollahra has a flute, and it says something that it plays at near inaudible, but registerable volumes as a preload.
[2007/11/08 12:09] Pyewacket Bellman: Like it takes forever to preload
[2007/11/08 12:09] Patchouli Woollahra: llPreloadSound.
[2007/11/08 12:09] Dizzy Banjo: ok well i think its the lack of ability to understand when sounds have successfully preloaded
[2007/11/08 12:09] Aric Linden: ok, let’s slow down a little bit please
[2007/11/08 12:09] Unmasked Shepherd: it only preloads a single sound to all potential clients
[2007/11/08 12:10] Da5id Zsigmond: Some clarification just on the present procedure – do sounds need to be downloaded to each client.
[2007/11/08 12:10] Patchouli Woollahra: my bad. this is the first time I’ve had breakfast at Dizzy’s. in any capacity xD
[2007/11/08 12:10] JenzZa Misfit: *back* … & caught up ** hi Sidewinder **
[2007/11/08 12:10] Aric Linden: DaSid, yes
[2007/11/08 12:10] Da5id Zsigmond: thx
[2007/11/08 12:10] Da5id Zsigmond: Does the preload time depend on the bit rate you set with the initital download
[2007/11/08 12:10] Aric Linden: DaSid, it’d be nice to figure out how to avoid that tho,
[2007/11/08 12:11] Nat Mandelbrot: hello, everyone. apologies for being late to the party.
[2007/11/08 12:11] Dizzy Banjo: i think generally its about the desire to successful stitch 10s audio together.. so .. understanding the preload is sucessful before playback etc
[2007/11/08 12:11] Patchouli Woollahra: DaSid: yeah, I understand higher bitrates mean larger sizes in general
[2007/11/08 12:11] Dizzy Banjo: nat has done good work on that with his player though
[2007/11/08 12:11] Aric Linden: I’m not sure, but I’d bet it does, DaSid
[2007/11/08 12:11] Nat Mandelbrot: We are doing 32kb encodes with that
[2007/11/08 12:11] Dizzy Banjo: do you want to talk about that a bit Nat
[2007/11/08 12:11] Dizzy Banjo: ok
[2007/11/08 12:11] Patchouli Woollahra: the trick is how well it does under grid strain.
[2007/11/08 12:11] Nat Mandelbrot: which definitely seems to help in download/preload time
[2007/11/08 12:12] Da5id Zsigmond: So using lower initial rates could make it more responsive when a new av has to load a sound.
[2007/11/08 12:12] Aric Linden: Patchouli, that’s exactly right
[2007/11/08 12:12] Nat Mandelbrot: That’s what we’ve found.
[2007/11/08 12:12] Da5id Zsigmond: That makes a difference to know.
[2007/11/08 12:12] Aric Linden: DaSid, yes
[2007/11/08 12:12] Patchouli Woollahra: there’s a balance there. The inworld Snow Crash Sampler has sucky narration even though it’s quite clear.
[2007/11/08 12:12] Aric Linden: But how much quality are you willing to lose for expedience in loading?
[2007/11/08 12:12] Dizzy Banjo: is it possible to have some kind of command which analyses when sounds a successful preloaded and will only allow the script to carry on to play them once they are ?
[2007/11/08 12:12] Patchouli Woollahra: what Aric said
[2007/11/08 12:13] Aric Linden smiles at Patchouli
[2007/11/08 12:13] Pyewacket Bellman: little as possible – it’s bad enough
[2007/11/08 12:13] Unmasked Shepherd: as for me, Aric, i’d prefer to lose none
[2007/11/08 12:13] Da5id Zsigmond: Have no reference to know right now how quality varies effectively. SL is not high fi. lol
[2007/11/08 12:13] Nat Mandelbrot: I think its more about the experience of the sound socially, then super high-fidelity.
[2007/11/08 12:13] Nat Mandelbrot: at least thats our approach
[2007/11/08 12:13] Aric Linden: Pyewacket, I agree with you
[2007/11/08 12:13] Da5id Zsigmond: yeah
[2007/11/08 12:13] Ziggy March: anything bellow 128k is bad for your ears though..
[2007/11/08 12:13] Da5id Zsigmond: The interactivity with the invironment is very important.
[2007/11/08 12:14] Marvel Ousley is Online
[2007/11/08 12:14] Aric Linden: Nat, there’s a place where the poorness of the audio detracts rather than adds to the experience, imo
[2007/11/08 12:14] Nat Mandelbrot: Yes, in-world music is already mono though…at least when we are talking about music tracks.
[2007/11/08 12:14] Da5id Zsigmond: its finding the balance in the situation. Different program could use different rates.
[2007/11/08 12:14] ZHAO: Couldn’t find animation M A Arms Up p4
[2007/11/08 12:14] BlueWall Slade: true: Aric
[2007/11/08 12:14] Nat Mandelbrot: so its a funny situation.
[2007/11/08 12:14] Patchouli Woollahra: LL isn’t in the business of storing extremely large data items, is it?
[2007/11/08 12:14] ZHAO: Couldn’t find animation M A Arms Up p4
[2007/11/08 12:15] Patchouli Woollahra: the odd 10s limitation was done to avoid stuff like people hosting entire tracks (that hasn’t worked in actual fact xD)
[2007/11/08 12:15] Unmasked Shepherd: see that is what i thought…the 10s limitations is a discouragment
[2007/11/08 12:15] Court Goodman: plese, rents high enough in here already
[2007/11/08 12:15] Patchouli Woollahra: Unmasked: not necessarily.
[2007/11/08 12:16] Da5id Zsigmond: The approach of libraries of sounds that could reside on a client permanently is a possibility.
[2007/11/08 12:16] Patchouli Woollahra coded an Aperture Science Round Radio recently.
[2007/11/08 12:16] Da5id Zsigmond: I have lots of disc space
[2007/11/08 12:16] Patchouli Woollahra: is 500Mb a lot?
[2007/11/08 12:16] Court Goodman: i admit if i had the freedom to upload larger files, i’d probably abuse it heavily
[2007/11/08 12:16] Patchouli Woollahra: Then charge extra for each extra unit of data uploaded.
[2007/11/08 12:17] BlueWall Slade: IMHO, the 10s soundbytes are fine for ambient audio, guestures, etc…. But for tracs, streaming for outside is better
[2007/11/08 12:17] Aric Linden: How many of you would use midi more if there was a more solid implementation?
[2007/11/08 12:17] BlueWall Slade: *from*
[2007/11/08 12:17] Court Goodman: depends on latency
[2007/11/08 12:17] Unmasked Shepherd: me
[2007/11/08 12:17] Patchouli Woollahra: it wouldn’t stop people who are actually willing to pay to grief with overlong sound… (people paying to grief in SL is nothing new)
[2007/11/08 12:17] Da5id Zsigmond: Definitely!!!!
[2007/11/08 12:17] Leslee McCarey: Would definitely use MIDI
[2007/11/08 12:17] Patchouli Woollahra: Aric: define ’solid’.
[2007/11/08 12:17] Dizzy Banjo: yes i would think there is a large scale strategic decision involved here.. whether to go for some kind of inworld improvement .. or investigate a way of getting streaming technology to become spatial
[2007/11/08 12:17] ZHAO: Couldn’t find animation M A Arms Up p4
[2007/11/08 12:17] Da5id Zsigmond: It’s a sensible way to reduce data overhead.
[2007/11/08 12:17] Billy Trenton: i would
[2007/11/08 12:17] Nat Mandelbrot: Agreed, Dizzy.
[2007/11/08 12:17] Patchouli Woollahra: General MIDI? or some sort of specially licensed XG MIDI or Roland MIDI subset?
[2007/11/08 12:17] Malburns Writer: hi Slim
[2007/11/08 12:18] Slim Warrior: Hey everyone
[2007/11/08 12:18] Court Goodman: LOTR Online has some pretty cool midi implementation, for its age
[2007/11/08 12:18] BlueWall Slade: MIDI would be cool for some things
[2007/11/08 12:18] Aric Linden: I think general midi is teh suk as we say in linden
[2007/11/08 12:18] ZHAO: Couldn’t find animation M A Arms Up p4
[2007/11/08 12:18] Aric Linden: but I’d use it as a start point.
[2007/11/08 12:18] Colossus Linden: Dizzy, how would you get streaming technology to become spatial? What do you mean?
[2007/11/08 12:18] Pyewacket Bellman:
[2007/11/08 12:18] Da5id Zsigmond: Midi time code would open up some really cool possibilities for collaboration.
[2007/11/08 12:18] Billy Trenton: yes indeed
[2007/11/08 12:18] Court Goodman: stream thru prims?
[2007/11/08 12:18] Patchouli Woollahra has heard general MIDI recently… and is appalled a bit.
[2007/11/08 12:18] Patchouli Woollahra: can I has Amiga Scream Tracker instead?
[2007/11/08 12:18] Unmasked Shepherd: Patchouli: hehehehehe
[2007/11/08 12:18] Dizzy Banjo: i dont know if its possible collossus..
[2007/11/08 12:19] Unmasked Shepherd: i started out with trackers
[2007/11/08 12:19] Unmasked Shepherd: O_O
[2007/11/08 12:19] Da5id Zsigmond: SL could have its own sample library.
[2007/11/08 12:19] Court Goodman: something on my wish list is to stream to a space not only via x & y but z as well
[2007/11/08 12:19] Leslee McCarey: just what I was thinking Da5id
[2007/11/08 12:19] Patchouli Woollahra: I’d settle for GenMIDI streaming that goes into a softsynth.
[2007/11/08 12:19] Dizzy Banjo: ok ok .. hang on a sec people..
[2007/11/08 12:19] Pyewacket Bellman: Yes, but that would make sound design pretty useless
[2007/11/08 12:19] Dizzy Banjo: lol
[2007/11/08 12:19] Unmasked Shepherd: midi to sampling conversions would run into the same degree of lage if not worse though
[2007/11/08 12:19] Patchouli Woollahra: I mean, they’re not adding to the piece in realtime wouldn’t it?
[2007/11/08 12:19] Pyewacket Bellman: New world. New sounds
[2007/11/08 12:19] Dizzy Banjo: we have two conversations going here.. lol.. looks like we are doing MIDI now
[2007/11/08 12:20] Unmasked Shepherd would luuuuuuuuv to have a copy of Collosus!
[2007/11/08 12:20] Aric Linden: and I think we lost track of the Lsl issues
[2007/11/08 12:20] Colossus Linden: Dizzy, Is what Court just said what you mean? For instance, multiple streams per parcel which come through like spatial voice? set up 3 speakers each playing a different stream?
[2007/11/08 12:20] Court Goodman: my ADD can handlle up to 4 conversations
[2007/11/08 12:20] Aric Linden: Can I make a general suggestion about lsl?
[2007/11/08 12:20] Unmasked Shepherd points…Aric started it.
[2007/11/08 12:20] Dizzy Banjo: yes colossus
[2007/11/08 12:20] Unmasked Shepherd giggles.
[2007/11/08 12:20] Pyewacket Bellman: Please
[2007/11/08 12:20] JenzZa Misfit: lol @ Court
[2007/11/08 12:20] Dizzy Banjo: voice can do it
[2007/11/08 12:20] Patchouli Woollahra: My apologies, some days I forget one road is better than four.
[2007/11/08 12:20] Aric Linden: yeah, right blame me sure that’s the spirit
[2007/11/08 12:20] Patchouli Woollahra: also: zomg, it’s a Leenden
[2007/11/08 12:20] Dizzy Banjo: streams coming through objects
[2007/11/08 12:20] Aric Linden grins
[2007/11/08 12:20] Dizzy Banjo: pointing to hosted files
[2007/11/08 12:21] Dizzy Banjo: much more scalable i woudl think than them being hosted by LL
[2007/11/08 12:21] Court Goodman: i assume theres have to be a bandwidth cap or peoplple will run all of Clearchannel thru their 512m parcel
[2007/11/08 12:21] Aric Linden: W/regard to changes that folks would like to see in LSL, please open an issue on Pjira and I’ll find it and work it internally
[2007/11/08 12:21] Colossus Linden: sorry, yes, Midi first
[2007/11/08 12:21] BlueWall Slade: right! Diz
[2007/11/08 12:21] Patchouli Woollahra: Court: people do that? I think Clearchannel is a joke.
[2007/11/08 12:21] bob54 Aurbierre: hello tu est faché
[2007/11/08 12:22] Court Goodman: what kind of latency does one experience thru network-midi? im guessing a GM-style synth has to be built into the client as mentioned before
[2007/11/08 12:22] bob54 Aurbierre: tu ne me parle plus
[2007/11/08 12:22] Meismeandi Macchi: hey
[2007/11/08 12:22] Aric Linden: Midi has almost no latency, except that which is already extant
[2007/11/08 12:22] BlueWall Slade: what protocol can you use to implement it?
[2007/11/08 12:22] Patchouli Woollahra: court: surprisngly low.
[2007/11/08 12:22] Meismeandi Macchi: wwhats going on guys
[2007/11/08 12:22] BlueWall Slade: the xml-rcp channel is clogged w/commerce
[2007/11/08 12:22] Aric Linden: Midi is just an instruction set
[2007/11/08 12:23] Da5id Zsigmond: The trick with SL will always be to balance client versus network load and midi offers a lot of possibilities.
[2007/11/08 12:23] Aric Linden: I would definitely NOT use xmlrpc for this
[2007/11/08 12:23] Patchouli Woollahra: aric: which a lot of synths these days still suck at.
[2007/11/08 12:23] Court Goodman: would the sounds need to be synthesized, or samples?
[2007/11/08 12:23] Aric Linden: Patchouli what do you mean?
[2007/11/08 12:23] BlueWall Slade: what other way is possible to drive events from outside
[2007/11/08 12:23] Unmasked Shepherd: so far from efforts applied to SL, it’s a launching point for most artists intending to release their own original tracks; then they affiliate with something like www.slusic.com for cleaner distribution. IMHO it seems that per the norm, 3rd party investors are the ones to take up the initial topic’s burden of storage and presentation of cleaner tracks.
[2007/11/08 12:23] Patchouli Woollahra has nightmares of cheesy MIDI.
[2007/11/08 12:23] Aric Linden: ahh
[2007/11/08 12:24] Dizzy Banjo: this has bigger implications than just sound.. but would LL consider a much bigger install pack do you think ?
[2007/11/08 12:24] Patchouli Woollahra: my first recommendation more often than not when someone skimps on the mIDI controller on their computer for consumer cunsumpotion is: Get Yamaha XG MIDI.
[2007/11/08 12:24] Pyewacket Bellman: Uh, did we start with getting rid of wave?
[2007/11/08 12:24] Aric Linden: midi doesn’t have to be cheesy. I’ve done midi over net performances since the mid 90’s and had some stomping sucesses
[2007/11/08 12:24] Dizzy Banjo: ie a huge expansion of the library
[2007/11/08 12:24] Dizzy Banjo: all local and ready to go
[2007/11/08 12:24] Court Goodman: cheesy sounds sound great if theyre played well. Ive hears some amazing performances with “synthSax” style patches
[2007/11/08 12:24] Aric Linden: heh
[2007/11/08 12:24] Pyewacket Bellman: wav
[2007/11/08 12:24] Patchouli Woollahra: Aric: you’ve had better equipment than what the average user has.
[2007/11/08 12:24] Aric Linden agrees about the XG set
[2007/11/08 12:24] Da5id Zsigmond: Use the midi to control the presentation of Wav files at the appropriate time.
[2007/11/08 12:24] Aric Linden: nah. I ‘
[2007/11/08 12:24] Patchouli Woollahra: people still use FM synth. amazing, isn’t it?
[2007/11/08 12:25] Aric Linden: I’ve done gigs with a roland gm box
[2007/11/08 12:25] Aric Linden: I did a gig with QT midi once
[2007/11/08 12:25] Dizzy Banjo: lol
[2007/11/08 12:25] Aric Linden: /shudders to think of it
[2007/11/08 12:25] Colossus Linden: bigger install pack?
[2007/11/08 12:25] Nat Mandelbrot: I <3 QT Midi
[2007/11/08 12:25] Aric Linden: and the QT midi kit is, I think where we might start
[2007/11/08 12:25] Aric Linden: and then grow from there
[2007/11/08 12:26] Patchouli Woollahra: preinstall packs defeat the purpose of streaming content from the metaverse a little.
[2007/11/08 12:26] Aric Linden: You have to remember one thing: you can give users the option of remapping if they have local devices
[2007/11/08 12:26] Da5id Zsigmond: Everytime I go to my place I download the same number of samples over and over again. They might as well be resident on my computer. for example.
[2007/11/08 12:26] Nat Mandelbrot: Seems like a good approach, considering existing QT depencies for streaming
[2007/11/08 12:26] Dizzy Banjo: i mean a load of sounds.. ( could obviously be expanded to other things .. textures etc.. ) which can be triggered locally.. i understand this is a deviation from the concept of the streaming metaverse though
[2007/11/08 12:26] Court Goodman: the guy i rent land from in here works about 6 feet from me, and he’s an avid LOTR musician. It appears what theyre doing is just letting the music engine evolve with the user’s creativity. i admit i ws pretty impressed. but youre stuck with medeival instruments
[2007/11/08 12:26] Dizzy Banjo: agreed patch
[2007/11/08 12:26] Pyewacket Bellman: Is this the AES show? What about wav?
[2007/11/08 12:26] Patchouli Woollahra: Court: hey, don’t knock the Harpsichord.
[2007/11/08 12:26] Patchouli Woollahra: My godmom loves LOTR’s music. it doesn’t grate on her ears…
[2007/11/08 12:26] Court Goodman: harsichord invented western music. not a chance
[2007/11/08 12:27] Da5id Zsigmond: The problem is when you want to generate music in world with a specific tempo and meter.
[2007/11/08 12:27] Nat Mandelbrot: Pyewacket, what aspects of WAV do you want to talk about more?
[2007/11/08 12:27] Patchouli Woollahra: unlike a certain big MMO with giant shoulders and guys in blue dresses.
[2007/11/08 12:27] Pyewacket Bellman: I’m a mac
[2007/11/08 12:27] Pyewacket Bellman: by the time I get to wav – I may as well not have bothered
[2007/11/08 12:27] Court Goodman: how much back-and-forth communication needs to go between server and client(s) to keep things in time
[2007/11/08 12:27] Cinco Pizzicato: the avatar metaverse orchastra is taclking these issues….
[2007/11/08 12:27] Patchouli Woollahra: Pyewacket: oh yeah… Macs use AIFF don’t they?
[2007/11/08 12:27] Pyewacket Bellman: most everything but wav
[2007/11/08 12:28] Da5id Zsigmond: Probably impossible at a network level with all the unknown delays.
[2007/11/08 12:28] Slim Warrior: macs can use any, aiff, wav or wave
[2007/11/08 12:28] Nat Mandelbrot: but AIFF or MP3 to WAV is a quick export
[2007/11/08 12:28] Slim Warrior: Aiff is the usual
[2007/11/08 12:28] Pyewacket Bellman: the conversion is like using clorox on black
[2007/11/08 12:28] Patchouli Woollahra: Slim: Nat pointed it out there.
[2007/11/08 12:28] Nat Mandelbrot: though i feel your pain.
[2007/11/08 12:28] Dizzy Banjo: http://www.ejamming.com/ < these guys worked up a neat MIDI jamming tool..
[2007/11/08 12:28] Patchouli Woollahra: Pyewacket: hey, don’t knock Clorox on Black. my Blacks have never been blacker.
[2007/11/08 12:28] Pyewacket Bellman:
[2007/11/08 12:29] Dizzy Banjo: and are now working with audio etc ( personally i think the latency dooms it so far )..
[2007/11/08 12:29] Leslee McCarey: lol Patch
[2007/11/08 12:29] Jazz Glineux: yeah, ejamming has in interest in coming into SL, I’ve talked to them about that
[2007/11/08 12:29] Patchouli Woollahra: No, really. see.
[2007/11/08 12:29] Nat Mandelbrot: Pyewacket, Quicktime supports Export Sound as Wave.
[2007/11/08 12:29] Da5id Zsigmond: With latency we need a system that will coordinate presentation that’s time related on each

client if its going to have a hope of working.
[2007/11/08 12:29] Nat Mandelbrot: but yes, upload as MP3 or AIFF would be great to have.
[2007/11/08 12:29] Patchouli Woollahra: Nat: only on the Wintel I believe.
[2007/11/08 12:29] Aric Linden: QT actually has a whole set of file exporters/importers built in
[2007/11/08 12:29] Jesse Linden: avatar metaverse orchestra?
[2007/11/08 12:29] Pyewacket Bellman: Yup. But it still sounds nasty
[2007/11/08 12:30] Patchouli Woollahra: QT is a multimedia container format, not a video format.
[2007/11/08 12:30] Patchouli Woollahra: Jesse: something better than HI’s barbershop quartet.
[2007/11/08 12:30] Cinco Pizzicato: avatar metaverse orchestra. the do in-world sound performances.
[2007/11/08 12:30] Da5id Zsigmond: it’s feasible.
[2007/11/08 12:30] Jesse Linden: coolio
[2007/11/08 12:30] Dizzy Banjo: http://dizzybanjo.wordpress.com/
[2007/11/08 12:31] Dizzy Banjo: did a thing on them here recently..
[2007/11/08 12:31] Patchouli Woollahra: Da5id: we’re trying to improve the quality of the sound in question though?
[2007/11/08 12:31] Da5id Zsigmond: We really need a time base to coordinate actions.
[2007/11/08 12:31] BlueWall Slade: will QT leave Linux in the lurch, like the voice implementatino?
[2007/11/08 12:31] Nat Mandelbrot: so with our new player, i have been testing by running ten or so simultaneously in a build
[2007/11/08 12:31] Da5id Zsigmond: Not sure what you mean now patchouli
[2007/11/08 12:31] Nat Mandelbrot: once the sounds preload, it all seems to play in pretty much realtime
[2007/11/08 12:31] Nat Mandelbrot: i could see how we could linnk something like that together
[2007/11/08 12:32] Nat Mandelbrot: but it wouldn’t necessarily be interactive
[2007/11/08 12:32] Aric Linden: BlueWall, what support for midi exists in linux now?
[2007/11/08 12:32] BlueWall Slade: it uses a cpl of things…
[2007/11/08 12:32] BlueWall Slade: there are system MIDI ports
[2007/11/08 12:32] Patchouli Woollahra recommends http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/7773 for a brief overview of MIDI in Linux.
[2007/11/08 12:33] BlueWall Slade: right now pro apps are migrating toward Jackit
[2007/11/08 12:33] Patchouli Woollahra: it’s a twopart article, the second part is at http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/7912
[2007/11/08 12:33] BlueWall Slade: an audio router daemon
[2007/11/08 12:33] Aric Linden: Thanks Patchouli
[2007/11/08 12:33] BlueWall Slade: it is istarting to include MIDI
[2007/11/08 12:33] Patchouli Woollahra: As bluewall might point out though, that article may be a bit out of date.
[2007/11/08 12:34] Aric Linden: k
[2007/11/08 12:34] Aric Linden: I’ll do some research on my own
[2007/11/08 12:34] BlueWall Slade: just look for “ALSA” and Jack”
[2007/11/08 12:34] Dizzy Banjo suggests tentatively we move onto Voice ?
[2007/11/08 12:34] Unmasked Shepherd: i think a number of the comments i would post are outside the scope of this discussion
[2007/11/08 12:34] BlueWall Slade: that seems to be the track
[2007/11/08 12:34] BlueWall Slade: tnx: Aric
[2007/11/08 12:34] Da5id Zsigmond: Right now I would say the most significant thing to do in SL in regard to wave files is give us a Play List function.
[2007/11/08 12:35] Patchouli Woollahra: Ah yes, Voice, one of the world’s most resonant musical instruments.
[2007/11/08 12:35] Nat Mandelbrot: dA5id, you mean the ability to play a list of soundclips in order?
[2007/11/08 12:35] Dizzy Banjo: i wanted to get some folks here from vivox today..
[2007/11/08 12:35] Da5id Zsigmond: yes – that should be implementable fairly easily.
[2007/11/08 12:35] Patchouli Woollahra is not in favor of any solutions that would tax the servers extra in the grid unless something else is taken off the load to compensate in part.
[2007/11/08 12:35] Dizzy Banjo: but one of the things that could be very exciting would be to develop the concept of putting the voice stream in things other than avatars
[2007/11/08 12:36] Da5id Zsigmond: SetSoundQueueing with a greater que than one. lol
[2007/11/08 12:36] Dizzy Banjo: well yeah patch..this would use Vivox servers.. lol
[2007/11/08 12:36] Nat Mandelbrot: Da5id, lets talk after. I can show you what we’ve done.
[2007/11/08 12:36] Patchouli Woollahra: DizzyBanjo: imagine a MetaMusic meeting full of boxes with “Sound Only” marked on them.
[2007/11/08 12:36] Da5id Zsigmond: cool nat
[2007/11/08 12:37] Patchouli Woollahra: It’d be like a crazy Japanese anime, especially when the giant biological robot starts

shafting your house.
[2007/11/08 12:37] BlueWall Slade: or, Diz, another media channel w/a mixer
[2007/11/08 12:37] Dizzy Banjo: using that we could have unlimited length streams.. spatially ?
[2007/11/08 12:37] Dizzy Banjo: could the voice stream be pointed at a file for instance.. isntead of a mic
[2007/11/08 12:37] BlueWall Slade: lol – I so! want and 8 track player in my VW van
[2007/11/08 12:38] Patchouli Woollahra: Dizzy: I think it’s been done in a way. Hamlet previewed a text-to-speech generator that worked with Vivox.
[2007/11/08 12:38] Da5id Zsigmond: With an external mixer you can stream anything in as a voice
[2007/11/08 12:38] Aric Linden: I think it might be useful, as a group, to begin to group needs and goals into buckets
[2007/11/08 12:38] Patchouli Woollahra: I’d get the link, but it’s got enough salty language that it might not be a good idea for Aric to listen to it in the office.
[2007/11/08 12:38] Nat Mandelbrot: or happy about a reverse Audio Hijack that plays streams/files as a sound input on your system? has someone hacked that yet?
[2007/11/08 12:38] Dizzy Banjo: agreed aric..
[2007/11/08 12:39] Aric Linden has headphones
[2007/11/08 12:39] Aric Linden grins
[2007/11/08 12:39] Patchouli Woollahra: Aric: I was thinking of the withering effects of it.
[2007/11/08 12:39] Dizzy Banjo: like different user groups and what their needs are
[2007/11/08 12:39] Patchouli Woollahra: also: “This guy was a Linden?”
[2007/11/08 12:39] Aric Linden is brave enough for anything withering
[2007/11/08 12:39] Dizzy Banjo: lol
[2007/11/08 12:39] Pyewacket Bellman:
[2007/11/08 12:39] Patchouli Woollahra quotes the last person on the recieving end of Hamlet Au’s Vocabulary.
[2007/11/08 12:39] Aric Linden: patchouli, you were a linden?
[2007/11/08 12:40] Patchouli Woollahra: “My Stomach is in my throat – it is attempting to barf acid on the parts of my brain that still hear it.”
[2007/11/08 12:40] Patchouli Woollahra: Aric: I won’t confirm and I won’t deny. suffice it to say.
[2007/11/08 12:40] Patchouli Woollahra was a HiPiHi-er for a month though.
[2007/11/08 12:40] Dizzy Banjo: anyway personally i think the voice system is fascinating in terms of possibilites as its currently the only way of getting long pieces of sound in world spatially
[2007/11/08 12:40] Aric Linden: Ve haff ways of making you talk
[2007/11/08 12:41] Da5id Zsigmond: It’s a tool that’s sitting there working. That’s important.
[2007/11/08 12:41] Patchouli Woollahra: Dizzy: ignoring the fact that the codec is optimised for sound…
[2007/11/08 12:41] Patchouli Woollahra: that’s in the conventional range of human voice.
[2007/11/08 12:41] Jesse Linden: has anyone seen any good stand up comedy in SL?
[2007/11/08 12:41] Patchouli Woollahra: as opposed to violins.
[2007/11/08 12:41] Jesse Linden: w/voice
[2007/11/08 12:41] Dizzy Banjo: ok.. well this seems a bit of an academic discussion without vivox here in some ways.. so maybe we should talk about the most controversial subject – media streaming
[2007/11/08 12:41] ezcape Hax: not yet Jesse
[2007/11/08 12:41] Jesse Linden: (sorry to hijack the topic, Dizzy)
[2007/11/08 12:41] Slim Warrior: / there are a few jesse, but depends on what you call ‘ good’
[2007/11/08 12:41] ezcape Hax: i was wondering about this
[2007/11/08 12:41] Dizzy Banjo: yeh patch but the codec could be changed ? improved ?
[2007/11/08 12:41] Patchouli Woollahra: Aric: you know the company policy on Resident alts as much as I do. Don’t confirm don’t deny.
[2007/11/08 12:42] Patchouli Woollahra: Jesse: I do stand up comedy sometimes.
[2007/11/08 12:42] Dizzy Banjo: ok so there have been a number of media systems emerging recently
[2007/11/08 12:42] Aric Linden: Patchouli too many hints
[2007/11/08 12:42] Dizzy Banjo: which are all very interesting
[2007/11/08 12:42] Ziggy March: Salamander Maron is doing great as standup comedian right now, well people seem to like it…but its not wide spread yet
[2007/11/08 12:42] Patchouli Woollahra: Aric: which are publicly accessible.
[2007/11/08 12:42] Dizzy Banjo: lol.. shh u two
[2007/11/08 12:43] Ziggy March: I sorry..
[2007/11/08 12:43] Ziggy March: Maroon I’m Sorry!
[2007/11/08 12:43] Patchouli Woollahra: and no, I’m not Patch Linden. honestly.
[2007/11/08 12:43] Dizzy Banjo: it would be good to see maybe talk about how the media system in SL could develop..
[2007/11/08 12:43] Jesse Linden: I see Nat here, any other portable media represetatives?
[2007/11/08 12:44] Dizzy Banjo looks around
[2007/11/08 12:44] Dizzy Banjo: 2 secs
[2007/11/08 12:44] BlueWall Slade: bxxt
[2007/11/08 12:44] Dizzy Banjo: lol
[2007/11/08 12:44] Dizzy Banjo: theyve all been invited
[2007/11/08 12:44] Dizzy Banjo: oh well
[2007/11/08 12:44] Patchouli Woollahra: understanding that any really significant changes would more often than not probably require Linden Labs to get out of the content hosting business proper.
[2007/11/08 12:44] Patchouli Woollahra: There’s too much sound and music out there for one company to host. unless it’s Akamai possibly.
[2007/11/08 12:45] Unmasked Shepherd: Patchouli: i’ve seen the progress towards that
[2007/11/08 12:45] Jesse Linden: has anyone looked at the parcel media project in the public wiki?
[2007/11/08 12:45] Leslee McCarey has looked
[2007/11/08 12:45] Dizzy Banjo: yeah ive been trying to feed elements from these discussions into that wiki
[2007/11/08 12:45] Patchouli Woollahra: last time I checked, Unmitigated Gall was stirring up a storm about SLiPod, wasn’t he?
[2007/11/08 12:45] Patchouli Woollahra: oh waitm wrong wikipage.
[2007/11/08 12:45] Colossus Linden: I believe that the voice codec should actually work well with things outside the vocal range. Has anyone tried it with music?
[2007/11/08 12:46] Dizzy Banjo: yes i have
[2007/11/08 12:46] Unmasked Shepherd: yes, Colossus
[2007/11/08 12:46] Dizzy Banjo: with multiple avatars
[2007/11/08 12:46] Da5id Zsigmond: I have a keyboard hooked up to mine.
[2007/11/08 12:46] Patchouli Woollahra: my flute sounds like it’s been choked to death with Red Linden’s shoe collection.
[2007/11/08 12:46] Pyewacket Bellman: Yes – It will recoginzed my MOTU firewire – but I can’t hear it in world. Any solution?
[2007/11/08 12:46] Leslee McCarey: lol Patch
[2007/11/08 12:46] Da5id Zsigmond: I don’t know what it sounds like on the other end.
[2007/11/08 12:46] Dizzy Banjo: its very interesting.. it does have a “flavour” though
[2007/11/08 12:46] Patchouli Woollahra: Dizzy: there’s a LOLcat for that.
[2007/11/08 12:46] Da5id Zsigmond: Use the monitor section on the MOTU works for me.
[2007/11/08 12:47] Dizzy Banjo: i dont doubt it patch lol
[2007/11/08 12:47] Unmasked Shepherd: live SL musicians and i have on very rare occasion used Voice for performances when streams were down.
[2007/11/08 12:47] Unmasked Shepherd loves LOLcats
[2007/11/08 12:47] Slim Warrior: it compresses sound a lot
[2007/11/08 12:47] Patchouli Woollahra: Unmasked: it’s a voice codec, people, not a music codec.
[2007/11/08 12:47] Nat Mandelbrot: Geez. Dropped off just as my name was called.
[2007/11/08 12:47] Colossus Linden: So, experience is that the voice codec is bad for music than? I’ll report that back if it is the case
[2007/11/08 12:47] Da5id Zsigmond: You could have back tracks as wav files and solo over top. But will never know how it syncs in other clients.
[2007/11/08 12:47] Ziggy March: wtb a basic mix system for parcel owner, so they could make a mix of several streams at the same time and present that to parcel vistor, audience and so, would mean a big improvement for musicians… latency might still occur depending on there puters ofcourse
[2007/11/08 12:47] Patchouli Woollahra: people’s voices don’t have as much range as your average violin, that’s why it compresses so well.
[2007/11/08 12:47] Slim Warrior: and it then depends on the quality of sound you want as a musician
[2007/11/08 12:47] Patchouli Woollahra: Colossus: we need to find a slightly more music-friendly ground.
[2007/11/08 12:48] Ziggy March: sry for the typos
[2007/11/08 12:48] Patchouli Woollahra: possibly have the two of tem side by side?
[2007/11/08 12:48] Patchouli Woollahra sniggers. “It might even be an excuse for people to sign up for premium services with LL. xD”
[2007/11/08 12:48] Unmasked Shepherd: hmmm…i wasn’t complaining.
[2007/11/08 12:48] Da5id Zsigmond: In regard to media streams it would be lovely to have a selection of ambience available. Could have city country beach etc..
[2007/11/08 12:48] Pathfinder Linden: voice freq
[2007/11/08 12:48] Cinco Pizzicato: why should music happen over voice chat?
[2007/11/08 12:48] Ziggy March: the streaming musician should start with a good setup and mix at home before getting it to a 128k stream though
[2007/11/08 12:48] Nat Mandelbrot: Da5id, thats a great idea. Just a basic palette of ambient sound would be a great start.
[2007/11/08 12:48] Dizzy Banjo: it would be interesting – i woudl think.. as a business proposition.. to offer a high qual version.. including options for hosting files which could stream through objects
[2007/11/08 12:49] Patchouli Woollahra: Cinco: why should walking in SL be reliant on Havok?
[2007/11/08 12:49] Ziggy March: couse crapp in is crapp out
[2007/11/08 12:49] Pathfinder Linden: voice freq range is about 300-3500 Hz. human ear hears 20-20kHz
[2007/11/08 12:49] Da5id Zsigmond: Anyone can effectively stream an audio signal into SL via voice Cinco.
[2007/11/08 12:49] Patchouli Woollahra: Cinco, SL has lots of stuff happening in it everyday that should not be happening.
[2007/11/08 12:49] BlueWall Slade: it would be very cool to have a personal media channel w/it’s own mix…..
[2007/11/08 12:49] Sidewinder Linden: patch… because… walking involves physics
[2007/11/08 12:49] Dizzy Banjo: in terms of the “immersive experience” it could enable far more
[2007/11/08 12:49] Unmasked Shepherd: lol
[2007/11/08 12:49] Patchouli Woollahra: Sidewinder: newsflash – Havok was NOT designed for walks.
[2007/11/08 12:49] Court Goodman: as a thirtysomething musician, my ear hears 70-1khz these days
[2007/11/08 12:49] Sidewinder Linden: patch – let’s take this offline…
[2007/11/08 12:49] Slim Warrior: hehe Court
[2007/11/08 12:50] Patchouli Woollahra: my bad xD
[2007/11/08 12:50] Patchouli Woollahra: agreed.
[2007/11/08 12:50] Dizzy Banjo: yeh unless im missing something Havok isnt related to audio
[2007/11/08 12:50] Patchouli Woollahra: Court: too much jamming with loud bass?
[2007/11/08 12:50] Cinco Pizzicato: so then ’should’ means ‘is possible.’
[2007/11/08 12:50] Sidewinder Linden: dizzy – corrent – no connection
[2007/11/08 12:50] Sidewinder Linden: *correct
[2007/11/08 12:50] Court Goodman: patchouli: “what?”
[2007/11/08 12:50] Nat Mandelbrot: Well, the doppler effect is related to physics!
[2007/11/08 12:50] Dizzy Banjo: lol
[2007/11/08 12:50] Sidewinder Linden: *sigh*
[2007/11/08 12:50] Sidewinder Linden: *OFF TOPIC*
[2007/11/08 12:50] Aric Linden: Ziggy, I’ve done over the net performances using phone lines and phone compression and gone over really well. Alot of it is just the radical event
[2007/11/08 12:50] Patchouli Woollahra knows a few too many deaf rock musicians where she lives.
[2007/11/08 12:51] Aric Linden: In 5 years, that’ll be much different
[2007/11/08 12:51] Dizzy Banjo: incidentally – an ability to disable doppler with land controls would be great
[2007/11/08 12:51] BlueWall Slade: lol: Patch
[2007/11/08 12:51] Aric Linden: What’d you say patchouli?
[2007/11/08 12:51] Unmasked Shepherd:
[2007/11/08 12:51] Patchouli Woollahra: I said I have lots of deaf rock musicians where I live.
[2007/11/08 12:52] Patchouli Woollahra: It’s terrifying on Sunday afternoons when they attempt to relive their glory semi-pro years.
[2007/11/08 12:52] Dizzy Banjo: lol
[2007/11/08 12:52] Court Goodman: embracing a limiting technology can bring out some great musical ideas
[2007/11/08 12:52] Aric Linden: drinking on the sidewalks?
[2007/11/08 12:52] Dizzy Banjo: yes court
[2007/11/08 12:52] Leslee McCarey: lol Aric
[2007/11/08 12:52] Aric Linden: I agree with you court
[2007/11/08 12:52] Svend Ballinger: /? chapel
[2007/11/08 12:52] Patchouli Woollahra: Aric: news flash – offtune bass guitars are horrifying.
[2007/11/08 12:52] Pyewacket Bellman: Ditto! Court
[2007/11/08 12:52] Dizzy Banjo: working on 4 track recorders didnt stop the beatles..
[2007/11/08 12:52] Aric Linden: depends on what everything else is tuned to Patchouli,
[2007/11/08 12:53] Aric Linden: everything is context dependent. you know that
[2007/11/08 12:53] Patchouli Woollahra: Dizzy: working on a fourbit analog chip didn’t stop Shigeru Miyamoto.
[2007/11/08 12:53] Court Goodman: what came to my mind were the old bob marley recordings. done with a single dangling $50 mic. worked for them….
[2007/11/08 12:53] Patchouli Woollahra: Aric: I suppose so. but bass guitars to beethoven suck.
[2007/11/08 12:53] Cinco Pizzicato: 4-tracks weren’t limiting to the beatles.
[2007/11/08 12:53] Unmasked Shepherd: lack of auto-tuners and melodyne in the past actually forced people to learn how to sing, too…::gasps::
[2007/11/08 12:53] Jesse Linden: gotta run, folks, Dizzy thanks for setting this up
[2007/11/08 12:53] Da5id Zsigmond: I would agree with Aric that sound quality is not the paramount thing – content is.
[2007/11/08 12:53] Jesse Linden: sorry to have to jet a bit early
[2007/11/08 12:53] Dizzy Banjo: k thanks jesse
[2007/11/08 12:53] Jesse Linden: great conversation
[2007/11/08 12:53] Court Goodman: tahnks jesse
[2007/11/08 12:53] Jesse Linden: keep it up
[2007/11/08 12:53] Aric Linden: I think we might want to do this monthly
[2007/11/08 12:53] Jesse Linden: by all
[2007/11/08 12:53] Patchouli Woollahra: tyvm, Jesse.
[2007/11/08 12:53] Slim Warrior: Bye Jesse
[2007/11/08 12:53] Pyewacket Bellman: Ok. Here’s a question. Does anyone know how to write a script for the think like the water splash we have? That would keep me busy for the next year.
[2007/11/08 12:53] Dizzy Banjo: difficult to cover everything with any depth
[2007/11/08 12:53] Ziggy March: no matter how a lot starts at the signal source, so yes with good source you could do a lot over phone line, big sallty balls from isaac hayes was recorded like that for southpark
[2007/11/08 12:54] Leslee McCarey: that would be great, Aric!
[2007/11/08 12:54] Aric Linden: yeah dizzy, it seemed pretty scattered
[2007/11/08 12:54] BlueWall Slade: bye Jesse
[2007/11/08 12:54] Dizzy Banjo: i think it would be good to define those use cases
[2007/11/08 12:54] Patchouli Woollahra: Pyewacket: that would involve some of the collision effect LSL in the client…
[2007/11/08 12:54] Pyewacket Bellman: YES!
[2007/11/08 12:54] Dizzy Banjo: and work out subjects for each session
[2007/11/08 12:54] Patchouli Woollahra: see? there’s room for Havok in sound xD
[2007/11/08 12:54] Pyewacket Bellman: That’s what I want to do
[2007/11/08 12:54] Dizzy Banjo: perhaps center the discussions aruodn what people want to do.. not around particular technolies
[2007/11/08 12:54] Unmasked Shepherd: hhehehehe
[2007/11/08 12:55] Cinco Pizzicato: I’m reminded of the negativland sound enhancer for phone calls: http://www.negativland.com/audiogadgets.html#howto
[2007/11/08 12:55] Patchouli Woollahra: firing LSL scripting portal, IM ime in private about anything I find.
[2007/11/08 12:55] Dizzy Banjo: but this is a good starting point
[2007/11/08 12:55] Da5id Zsigmond: An excellent place to start.
[2007/11/08 12:55] Nat Mandelbrot: Dizzy, I think your initial thoughts on the silence of the grid is a good starting point.
[2007/11/08 12:55] Dizzy Banjo: yeh
[2007/11/08 12:55] Court Goodman: i wanted to bring up an interesting discovery with the limitations in the spatial sounds and script abilities: i set up about 4 prims spaced around a room and used chat to have them communicate, thus sync up. not only did it make the room loud, but it created a great multi-track mixing effect that i could control with my camera
[2007/11/08 12:55] Aric Linden: Dizzy, I think we need to get the buckets of interest together, then dedicate one meeting to each
[2007/11/08 12:55] Nat Mandelbrot: We all want to come in-world and have music around us or sounds or voices.
[2007/11/08 12:55] Dizzy Banjo: yep agreed aric
[2007/11/08 12:56] Pyewacket Bellman: OR SL birds that don’t sound like RL birds
[2007/11/08 12:56] Nat Mandelbrot: Court, i’ve had a similar experience. Its a blast.
[2007/11/08 12:56] Unmasked Shepherd: for an initial discussion the scope of this was HUGE
[2007/11/08 12:56] Court Goodman: im totally diggin it now.
[2007/11/08 12:56] Dizzy Banjo: one thing i spoke to meta linden about was trying to find a way of assessing how much audio is used on the grid right now..
[2007/11/08 12:56] Nat Mandelbrot: Aric, good idea. I am def not doing anything with midi, for instance.
[2007/11/08 12:56] Court Goodman: dont let the RIAA know, dizzy
[2007/11/08 12:56] Aric Linden: Nat, i think midi is low hanging fruit in many ways
[2007/11/08 12:56] Patchouli Woollahra: f— the RIAA.
[2007/11/08 12:57] Dizzy Banjo: that would probably help in terms of understanding lots of impacts of developing this..
[2007/11/08 12:57] Court Goodman: before they f— u
[2007/11/08 12:57] Dizzy Banjo: well yes including the RIAA
[2007/11/08 12:57] Unmasked Shepherd: Nat: i consider part of what i assume youa re doing to be paramount to adding to the end-user experience in the growing concern for interoperability
[2007/11/08 12:57] Nat Mandelbrot: Aric, I think MIDI is great. I am jus saying as a focus, its not mine.
[2007/11/08 12:57] Aric Linden: Audio is the golden harp
[2007/11/08 12:57] Patchouli Woollahra has no love for idiots who insist on hamstringing audo technology because “we can copy with it.”
[2007/11/08 12:57] Dizzy Banjo: but also hosting issues.. just the pragmatics of expanding it
[2007/11/08 12:57] Unmasked Shepherd: but i don’t want to explode the whole floor with that
[2007/11/08 12:57] Unmasked Shepherd: lol
[2007/11/08 12:57] BlueWall Slade: MIDI seems to be a good starting point on the outside to get show control in world
[2007/11/08 12:58] Pyewacket Bellman: Why don’t we ask Steve Jobs to give us our own iTunes store?
[2007/11/08 12:58] Da5id Zsigmond: A standard technology – available and works. Midi that is.
[2007/11/08 12:58] BlueWall Slade: but what protocol – outside to inside – exists that is robust enough to sequence events
[2007/11/08 12:58] Dizzy Banjo: yeh i think there are two fundamental areas really
[2007/11/08 12:59] Da5id Zsigmond: Implementing midi in SL will probably require some customization due to the web aspect.
[2007/11/08 12:59] Aric Linden: midi does sequencing really well and you can use it for event triggering as well
[2007/11/08 12:59] Aric Linden: because it has clock built in, you can map events to events really nicely
[2007/11/08 12:59] Unmasked Shepherd: mmmmm
[2007/11/08 12:59] BlueWall Slade: but, I’ve only found xml-rcp to use for the transport?
[2007/11/08 12:59] Ziggy March: so you would need a sample database inworld then?
[2007/11/08 12:59] Da5id Zsigmond: It’s the potential for a time base I find exciting.
[2007/11/08 13:00] Ziggy March: again max 9.9 seconds i supose
[2007/11/08 13:00] Unmasked Shepherd: event-triggering without timers mmmmm
[2007/11/08 13:00] Dizzy Banjo: one is to do with the soundscape of SL.. which may include “increased immersion” through environmental sound as well as soundtracking.. and the development of more expansive persistent sound installtions
[2007/11/08 13:00] Aric Linden: or you’d need to know what samples were available on target machines
[2007/11/08 13:00] Dizzy Banjo: the other is to do with collaboration with music
[2007/11/08 13:00] Da5id Zsigmond: A sample library would make a lot of sense – as I said I keep downloading the same samples over and over.
[2007/11/08 13:00] Aric Linden: An inworld sample db is a very interesting possibility
[2007/11/08 13:00] Nat Mandelbrot: Dizzy, yeah i think we should definitely split along those lines.
[2007/11/08 13:00] Aric Linden: Ziggy, that’s a great idea
[2007/11/08 13:00] Dizzy Banjo: they are quite different fields really
[2007/11/08 13:00] Dizzy Banjo: with very different aims
[2007/11/08 13:00] Da5id Zsigmond:
[2007/11/08 13:01] Nat Mandelbrot: Just for the sake of progress. I love hearing about performance, but…
[2007/11/08 13:01] Aric Linden wants the xpander samples
[2007/11/08 13:01] Unmasked Shepherd: the problem with client-side sample storage lends itself back over to copyright and intellectual property issues.
[2007/11/08 13:01] Ziggy March: target machines could be personel servers as wel then or inworld machines you mean Aric?
[2007/11/08 13:02] Unmasked Shepherd: i want the EastWest sample packages ::drool::
[2007/11/08 13:02] Aric Linden: Ziggy, either way. I can imagine both scenarios working
[2007/11/08 13:02] Da5id Zsigmond: You have a point Unmasked
[2007/11/08 13:02] Court Goodman: is that a dream on the horizon at all? some resources farmed out to people’s home servers?
[2007/11/08 13:02] Ziggy March: would be cool
[2007/11/08 13:02] Nat Mandelbrot: With the recent dev news from Callum Linden regarding media plug-ins would there be a possibility to a sample db via that?
[2007/11/08 13:02] Ziggy March: ty
[2007/11/08 13:02] Meismeandi Macchi shouts: what are you guys talkign about?
[2007/11/08 13:02] Cinco Pizzicato: MIDI implementations as in QT come with their own synthesizers. An in-world instrugment could be set up to match inventory sounds to midi notes. MIDI includes the ability to change these settings, so a performance could mix the two.
[2007/11/08 13:02] Aric Linden nods at nat
[2007/11/08 13:02] Slim Warrior: there are plenty of copyright free samples that can be used, and there are also enough musicians to be able to contribute to a sample database I am sure
[2007/11/08 13:02] Patchouli Woollahra: Meismeandi: MUSIC IN THE METAVERSE
[2007/11/08 13:02] ezcape Hax: hmmm and karaoke becomes a possibility
[2007/11/08 13:02] Court Goodman: ah, the midi-controlled “light guy” on the side of the stage. pay him with virtual beer
[2007/11/08 13:02] Slim Warrior: therefore bypassing the ‘copyright issue
[2007/11/08 13:02] Patchouli Woollahra: escape: scary.
[2007/11/08 13:02] ezcape Hax: it is
[2007/11/08 13:03] ezcape Hax: but would add another dimension to the non-musicians
[2007/11/08 13:03] Aric Linden has to run
[2007/11/08 13:03] Nat Mandelbrot: Guitar Hero SL… much better than karaoke!
[2007/11/08 13:03] Patchouli Woollahra has heard a person maul Celine Dion.
[2007/11/08 13:03] Draxtor Despres: great sample site http://freesound.iua.upf.edu/
[2007/11/08 13:03] Slim Warrior: hehe
[2007/11/08 13:03] Court Goodman: aric nice to meet you
[2007/11/08 13:03] Da5id Zsigmond: Bye Aric
[2007/11/08 13:03] Aric Linden: Thanks all. So many great ideas here
[2007/11/08 13:03] Nat Mandelbrot: Thanks, Aric.
[2007/11/08 13:03] Patchouli Woollahra: Nat: waiting for “Cowbell Hero” myself.
[2007/11/08 13:03] Dizzy Banjo: i think all of it is important really .. its just such a huge range of subjects.. things like MIDI collaboration will undoubtedly be more popular as developments… but the in world audio side of development is also potentially massively important.. especially with the type of uses that may emerge with a different type of user coming to the SL Grid
[2007/11/08 13:03] Aric Linden: nice to meet so many of you too. I really enjoyed it
[2007/11/08 13:03] Dizzy Banjo: thanks Aric
[2007/11/08 13:03] Aric Linden: I really do hope we can make this a regular meeting.
[2007/11/08 13:03] BlueWall Slade: bye Aric
[2007/11/08 13:04] Aric Linden: Dizzy, let’s talk
[2007/11/08 13:04] Pyewacket Bellman: Bye Aric.
[2007/11/08 13:04] Jazz Glineux: c u Aric, thanks, would like to chat more about MIDI implementation sometime
[2007/11/08 13:04] Unmasked Shepherd: i’m intrigued
[2007/11/08 13:04] Draxtor Despres: bye Aric
[2007/11/08 13:04] Aric Linden: yep Jazz.
[2007/11/08 13:04] Nat Mandelbrot: i have a long city sound loop via freesound
[2007/11/08 13:04] Unmasked Shepherd: i try to get involved in lots of these chats
[2007/11/08 13:04] Patchouli Woollahra: I am interested in your ideas and wish to subscribe to your newsletter.
[2007/11/08 13:04] Court Goodman: i have aboiut an encylopedia’s worth of stuff that’d id still love to meet over regarding soundand LSL
[2007/11/08 13:04] Aric Linden: heya drax I saw you earlier and meant to chat – all good?
[2007/11/08 13:04] Colossus Linden: Thanks everyone, I need to head out as well.
[2007/11/08 13:04] Unmasked Shepherd would consider it an honor to contribute some of her own samples / loops to a sample DB from LL
[2007/11/08 13:04] Ziggy March: would be great if we all or most could implement our rl studio’s in sl or vica versa
[2007/11/08 13:04] Dizzy Banjo: yeah i think we should wrap up
[2007/11/08 13:04] Dizzy Banjo: however
[2007/11/08 13:05] Draxtor Despres: yes Aric, busy in RL….
[2007/11/08 13:05] BlueWall Slade: bye Colossus
[2007/11/08 13:05] Aric Linden: Court, log LSL issues into jira or, send me a notecard with specifics
[2007/11/08 13:05] Aric Linden: kk
[2007/11/08 13:05] Dizzy Banjo: there is a forum here :
[2007/11/08 13:05] Dizzy Banjo: http://metamusic.forumarena.com/
[2007/11/08 13:05] Ziggy March: build some network
[2007/11/08 13:05] Aric Linden waves
[2007/11/08 13:05] Court Goodman: Dizzy i appreciate your devotion to this subject, you too SlimWarrior
[2007/11/08 13:05] Draxtor Despres: dizzy, great meeting, even for a non-techie like me!
[2007/11/08 13:05] Dizzy Banjo: but yes.. going straight into the wiki and pjira is better
[2007/11/08 13:05] Dizzy Banjo:
[2007/11/08 13:05] Nat Mandelbrot: so if you can hear the city sounds, thats playing from my in-world spatiazlied player. its a 6 minute mp3.
[2007/11/08 13:06] Patchouli Woollahra loves how people keep getting into and out of her bed at these roundtable meets.
[2007/11/08 13:06] Slim Warrior: Bye Colossus
[2007/11/08 13:06] Draxtor Despres: wow, Nat!
[2007/11/08 13:06] Leslee McCarey: lol patch
[2007/11/08 13:06] Draxtor Despres: great
[2007/11/08 13:06] Pyewacket Bellman: Patch is a peach!
[2007/11/08 13:06] Patchouli Woollahra: nah, I’m a wildcat.
[2007/11/08 13:06] JenzZa Misfit: wow Nat
[2007/11/08 13:06] JenzZa Misfit: love it
[2007/11/08 13:06] Colossus Linden: Bye all
[2007/11/08 13:06] Dizzy Banjo: bye colossus
[2007/11/08 13:06] Unmasked Shepherd: bye byes
[2007/11/08 13:06] BlueWall Slade: g’bye
[2007/11/08 13:07] Jeremy Linden: Later, all!
[2007/11/08 13:07] Dizzy Banjo: cya
[2007/11/08 13:07] Patchouli Woollahra: later everyone!
[2007/11/08 13:07] Dizzy Banjo: its pretty smooth nat
[2007/11/08 13:07] Cinco Pizzicato: is there an announcement group for these things?
[2007/11/08 13:07] Dizzy Banjo: yes
[2007/11/08 13:07] Dizzy Banjo: metamusic
[2007/11/08 13:07] BlueWall Slade: bye Patch
[2007/11/08 13:07] Slim Warrior: Cool Nat
[2007/11/08 13:07] Nat Mandelbrot: Dizzy, yeah lots of debugging on that recently
[2007/11/08 13:07] Cinco Pizzicato: thanks, dizzy.
[2007/11/08 13:07] Jazz Glineux: yeah, thanks Dizzy
[2007/11/08 13:07] Pyewacket Bellman: Guess I better get used to wav
[2007/11/08 13:08] Court Goodman: goodbye everyone, until next time
[2007/11/08 13:08] BlueWall Slade: it is pretty smooth, does have a gap, now & then for me
[2007/11/08 13:08] JenzZa Misfit: love the interface …er…. interhead ! lol
[2007/11/08 13:08] Court Goodman: radioheadnew album is just getting everywhere
[2007/11/08 13:08] Slim Warrior: lol
[2007/11/08 13:08] Unmasked Shepherd: or ogg anyway
[2007/11/08 13:08] Dizzy Banjo: i normally ping out announcements on various groups also.. like slims excellent SL Music Community group.. which covers everything music related in SL really
[2007/11/08 13:08] Patchouli Woollahra has a Weighted Companion Cube she loves.
[2007/11/08 13:08] Da5id Zsigmond: bye all thanx for the great discussion.
[2007/11/08 13:08] Cinco Pizzicato: never metamusic I couldn’t dance to.
[2007/11/08 13:08] Nat Mandelbrot: thanks, yeah it can look like almost anything to be honest.
[2007/11/08 13:08] Basil Wijaya: I’m going too, nice ideas, I was a bit lost by the crossing of discussions sometimes. Nice initiative Dizzy.
[2007/11/08 13:08] Slim Warrior: al we need now is what Nat has and our veodia screens on our heads too
[2007/11/08 13:08] Patchouli Woollahra: Cinco has never listened to w00t before.
[2007/11/08 13:08] Slim Warrior: and we canbe walking multimedia avs
[2007/11/08 13:08] Cinco Pizzicato has listended to everything.
[2007/11/08 13:09] Ziggy March: only 20% buys the actual downloads of the radiohead stunt though
[2007/11/08 13:09] Dizzy Banjo cant wait
[2007/11/08 13:09] Ziggy March: sadly enough
[2007/11/08 13:09] Nat Mandelbrot: Ziggy, they still made millions
[2007/11/08 13:09] Nat Mandelbrot: and it went straight to them!
[2007/11/08 13:09] Court Goodman: at $70 a concert ticket, no love lost here
[2007/11/08 13:09] Unmasked Shepherd: i think that was intentional though.
[2007/11/08 13:09] Patchouli Woollahra: y’gain some, y’lose some.
[2007/11/08 13:09] Dizzy Banjo has faith in people valuing music
[2007/11/08 13:09] Weighted Companion Cube v1.2 whispers: Preloading please wait…
[2007/11/08 13:09] Leslee McCarey: good session, Dizzy et all – time to get back to the RL sim…
[2007/11/08 13:09] Nat Mandelbrot: so i am looking for testers, so please get in toch with me if you are interested in in-world sound/music playback
[2007/11/08 13:09] Ziggy March: lol
[2007/11/08 13:09] Dizzy Banjo: thanks leslee
[2007/11/08 13:09] Nat Mandelbrot: and check out http://avatunes.cmo
[2007/11/08 13:09] Dizzy Banjo: cyas
[2007/11/08 13:10] Slim Warrior: Id be interested Nat
[2007/11/08 13:10] Court Goodman: goodbye everyone, back to the dayjob. looking forward to the next meet!
[2007/11/08 13:10] BlueWall Slade: thanks Nat!
[2007/11/08 13:10] Dizzy Banjo kinda likes that he has only ever heard In Rainbows in SL so far…
[2007/11/08 13:10] Slim Warrior: Can I ask tho, is there a choice for a listner NOt to hear the sounds?
[2007/11/08 13:10] Nat Mandelbrot: Dizzy, thats how i feel!
[2007/11/08 13:10] Ziggy March: cool track though
[2007/11/08 13:10] Dizzy Banjo: thats a good point Slimmie.. lol
[2007/11/08 13:10] Unmasked Shepherd: yes but you have to kill ALL media
[2007/11/08 13:10] Nat Mandelbrot: Slim – not through this mode, unless they turn down all sounds.
[2007/11/08 13:11] JenzZa Misfit: only by turning down sounds I would think
[2007/11/08 13:11] JenzZa Misfit: soops
[2007/11/08 13:11] Nat Mandelbrot: or walking away from me
[2007/11/08 13:11] JenzZa Misfit: woops*
[2007/11/08 13:11] Patchouli Woollahra: twittering update on meeting.
[2007/11/08 13:11] JenzZa Misfit: LOL yea .. or that
[2007/11/08 13:11] Slim Warrior: whilst sound in S is great, there is the thought that sound can be overwheming and not always appropriate
[2007/11/08 13:11] Nat Mandelbrot: i am that annoying guy on the bus with the boombox
[2007/11/08 13:11] Slim Warrior: lolol
[2007/11/08 13:11] JenzZa Misfit: LOL
[2007/11/08 13:11] Tara5 Oh: what is your twitter handle patchouli?
[2007/11/08 13:11] Slim Warrior: it is important that there is a choice
[2007/11/08 13:11] Unmasked Shepherd: twitters is neat
[2007/11/08 13:11] Dizzy Banjo: griefer potential.. i spose
[2007/11/08 13:12] Slim Warrior: yes
[2007/11/08 13:12] Sabina Stenvaag: you could jsut mute Nat
[2007/11/08 13:12] Billy Trenton: mute object?
[2007/11/08 13:12] Billy Trenton:
[2007/11/08 13:12] Slim Warrior: huge potential
[2007/11/08 13:12] Unmasked Shepherd: i haven’t used it yet, but i like the concept
[2007/11/08 13:12] Nat Mandelbrot: Sabina, i don’t think you can
[2007/11/08 13:12] JenzZa Misfit: well so is VOICE but … you can mute the person
[2007/11/08 13:12] Slim Warrior: well thats ok for those of us who can mute
[2007/11/08 13:12] Nat Mandelbrot: its not voice or media straem
[2007/11/08 13:12] Slim Warrior: for noobs they have no idea
[2007/11/08 13:12] Sabina Stenvaag: i jsut tried it it seemed to work–unless you stopped
[2007/11/08 13:12] Nat Mandelbrot: its in-world sound
[2007/11/08 13:12] Dizzy Banjo: the mute option is fiddly
[2007/11/08 13:12] JenzZa Misfit: as you could with this as well …. ..muste the person
[2007/11/08 13:12] Tara5 Oh: I think I should follow you after spending the whole meeting in your bed!
[2007/11/08 13:12] Patchouli Woollahra: most odd.
[2007/11/08 13:12] Dizzy Banjo: also mutes everything
[2007/11/08 13:12] Dizzy Banjo: lol
[2007/11/08 13:13] Patchouli Woollahra: you can selectively mute objects.
[2007/11/08 13:13] JenzZa Misfit: the problem with mute is … the person and EVERYTHING about them forever …stays muted
[2007/11/08 13:13] Slim Warrior: thats because we know how
[2007/11/08 13:13] JenzZa Misfit: many people dont know that
[2007/11/08 13:13] Slim Warrior: exactly jen
[2007/11/08 13:13] Sabina Stenvaag: yep–but i check my muded list a lot–cause I used it lots
[2007/11/08 13:13] Dizzy Banjo: yeh i think most people would just blanket mute the user
[2007/11/08 13:13] Patchouli Woollahra: JenzZa: precisely why I recommend a monthly mute list flush.
[2007/11/08 13:13] Sabina Stenvaag: muted*
[2007/11/08 13:13] Patchouli Woollahra: Just select everything on the list and remove it.
[2007/11/08 13:13] Slim Warrior: it wold be good too look at a click object mute
[2007/11/08 13:13] Slim Warrior: rather than person
[2007/11/08 13:13] JenzZa Misfit: good plan Patch
[2007/11/08 13:13] JenzZa Misfit: including things like venodrs and tip jars, eh , slim ? geez
[2007/11/08 13:13] Patchouli Woollahra: btw, has anyone heard from Unmitigated Gall lately?
[2007/11/08 13:14] Dizzy Banjo: yeh
[2007/11/08 13:14] Nat Mandelbrot: Slim, yeah that would be good.
[2007/11/08 13:14] Slim Warrior: yes Jen
[2007/11/08 13:14] Tara5 Oh: what happened to the SLipod?
[2007/11/08 13:14] Sabina Stenvaag: i used to mute those ’splooders’ all he time!
[2007/11/08 13:14] Nat Mandelbrot: or some sort of “sphere of silence”
[2007/11/08 13:14] Patchouli Woollahra: still whining about Linden Labs breaking his business model?
[2007/11/08 13:14] Nat Mandelbrot: errrr… clone of silence? get smart?
[2007/11/08 13:14] Dizzy Banjo: its still in development
[2007/11/08 13:14] Dizzy Banjo: no i think thats all going to be fine now
[2007/11/08 13:14] Patchouli Woollahra: Agent Nat: I has a shoe with a rotary phone in it for you.
[2007/11/08 13:15] Patchouli Woollahra: Agent Nat:
[2007/11/08 13:15] Patchouli Woollahra: Dizzy: I don’t fancy his chances of competing on it beyond the unique, external aspects of his model.
[2007/11/08 13:15] Dizzy Banjo: well
[2007/11/08 13:15] Patchouli Woollahra: Dizzy: obfuscated, temporary Media Urls that can’t be reread or reused are great.
[2007/11/08 13:16] JenzZa Misfit: i have a sign in my inventory I can ** AND DO !! ** bust out when I need to thats says:: ” Hello you have me muted :: right blick my avatar and UMUTE “
[2007/11/08 13:16] Patchouli Woollahra: but if he thinks he can stop anyone from using the same LSL command that I’ve been teaching for two months, he’s got another thought coming.
[2007/11/08 13:16] Dizzy Banjo: slipod is interesting not technologically really but in that you can link media streams to objects and pass them around
[2007/11/08 13:16] Dizzy Banjo: yeh well.. its not really necessarily going to remain one companies technology
[2007/11/08 13:16] Patchouli Woollahra: Dizzy… it’s a first-year LSL project.
[2007/11/08 13:16] JenzZa Misfit: that is the exact boombox too … that the guy on the bus has !
[2007/11/08 13:17] Dizzy Banjo: but then lots of companies use the same technology and provide good services and become successful
[2007/11/08 13:17] Nat Mandelbrot: i agree, Dizzy.
[2007/11/08 13:17] Patchouli Woollahra: he needs to compete on the quality and quantity of the hosting he wants to tie into the idea.
[2007/11/08 13:17] Nat Mandelbrot: our business is not the palyer
[2007/11/08 13:17] Nat Mandelbrot: its the business we can build around it
[2007/11/08 13:17] Nat Mandelbrot: with musicians, artists, etc
[2007/11/08 13:17] Dizzy Banjo: absolutely nat